My definition of direct assistance is investment. It's a partnership. Even the committee has said that some of the money invested in research and development should be refundable.
Mr. Vinet and Ms. Krassilowsky, Roger Valley asked that you appear. He couldn't be here today.
I'm not sure I understand this aid for municipalities. Is it your feeling the money should go through the federal government directly and have it look at setting up a whole new bureaucracy to give the money through this bureaucracy to you, or should it not be done through the provinces, since they have already...? In Quebec we have development agencies and in northern Ontario you have a development agency as well. So we can get the money to you faster.