My precious few seconds.
I wanted to carry on the conversation that Mr. McCallum was having with Mr. Stewart-Patterson and Mr. Jackson.
This EI proposal strikes me as, if you will, a half-pregnant solution. It doesn't put a sufficient amount of money, notional or real, into the fund in order to be able to do the counter-cyclical things Mr. McCallum and you were talking about. So having $2 billion there is almost a waste, because it really is the national treasury that stands behind the whole thing in any event.
I'd be interested in your views as to whether, if this is in fact to operate as a true arm's-length entity, it would be in both business interests and labour interests to be serious about this and actually put $15 billion into it, much like the actuaries want to happen, and do the counter-cyclical thing. That way, when things are going badly under Conservative times you don't have to raise the premiums, and when they're going well under Liberal times you don't have to lower the premiums.