Evidence of meeting #59 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cement.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Howard Mains  Consultant, Public Policy, Association of Equipment Manufacturers
Ruth-Anne Craig  Executive Director, Manitoba Division, Canadian Mental Health Association
Pierre Boucher  President and Chief Executive Officer, Cement Association of Canada
Robert Simonds  First Vice-President, Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs
Andrew McKee  President and Chief Executive Officer, Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Canada
John Dickie  President, Canadian Federation of Apartment Associations
Patrick McGarry  Member, Ontario Funeral Service Association
Leo Guilbeault  Chair, Ontario, Ontario-Quebec Grain Farmers’ Coalition
William Van Tassel  Vice-President, Ontario-Quebec Grain Farmers’ Coalition
Martine Mangion  Manager, Episodic Disability Initiatives, Canadian Working Group on HIV and Rehabilitation
John Stapleton  Principal, Open Policy, Canadian Working Group on HIV and Rehabilitation
Tamra Thomson  Director, Legislation and Law Reform, Canadian Bar Association
Elena Hoffstein  Executive Member, National Charities and Not-for-Profit Law Section, Canadian Bar Association
Christine Collins  National President, Union of Canadian Transportation Employees
Daniel Demers  Director, National Public Issues Office, Canadian Cancer Society
David Teichroeb  Manager, Alternative and Emerging Technologies, Fuel Cells, Enbridge Inc.
Claude Lajeunesse  President and Chief Executive Officer, Aerospace Industries Association of Canada
Maryse Harvey  Vice-President, Public Affairs, Aerospace Industries Association of Canada
Francis Bradley  Vice-President, Canadian Electricity Association
Dianne Watts  Representative, REAL Women of Canada
Michael Teeter  Advisor, Union of Canadian Transportation Employees

12:10 p.m.

NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

However, not necessarily in an environmentally-friendly way.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Cement Association of Canada

Pierre Boucher

Look, we estimate that cement consumption will double within 25 years.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

All right.

However, as you indicated, in the end you do not wish to be constrained by greenhouse gas reductions, as planned in Canada.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Cement Association of Canada

Pierre Boucher

Not at all. What we are saying is that there is a global reduction plan and it is being communicated to all governments, including the federal government.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

However, you nonetheless do not want goods from countries such as China and India, who are exempted from the Kyoto Protocol, to enter Canada?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Cement Association of Canada

Pierre Boucher

What we are telling the government is that if it wants to benefit from this strategic commodity—for example, Venezuela just nationalized its cement industry; in India—

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

What Venezuela did has nothing to do with today's discussion.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Cement Association of Canada

Pierre Boucher

I believe that climate change is a global issue.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Agreed. Time is limited. Thank you, Mr. Boucher.

Mr. Dickie, I would like to thank you.

I have a brief question for Mr. Dickie. May I?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Yes, you have 30 seconds, Mr. Mulcair.

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NDP

Thomas Mulcair NDP Outremont, QC

Mr. Dickie, you stated that there is a divergence in the tax treatment of owners and renters.

With regard to the tax credit in the budget for owners who do work on their own homes, for home renovations, would it have been somehow possible to extend this credit to renters, so that not just homeowners could benefit?

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Just a brief response.

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President, Canadian Federation of Apartment Associations

John Dickie

Absolutely, it should be extended to renters. I would say that the mechanism should extend it to the rental owners, because they will be the ones putting in the money to do the renovations, which then benefit the renters. The renters will have improved rental accommodation, which tends overall—albeit in a marginal way—to reduce the cost of rental accommodation in the marketplace. So I very much support an extension of the home renovation tax credit to the rental housing industry.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay, thank you.

We'll go to Mr. Pacetti, please.

12:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you to the witnesses for coming forward. It's been very interesting. It's always difficult for us to ask questions of everybody, so I will just ask a couple of quick questions.

I'll start with the fire chiefs and Mr. Simonds.

I was around when the bill was passed before this committee, but we also had a few problems with it. The major one was how were we going to track the volunteer hours. I think that was addressed, but I didn't see anything on that in your brief. How are we going to track the volunteer hours and make sure that volunteer firemen are not getting credit for playing cards at the fire station?

October 29th, 2009 / 12:15 p.m.

First Vice-President, Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs

Robert Simonds

Thank you very much for your question. That's an absolutely valid question.

We have responded previously and clarified this. For example, there is a very stringent provision with respect to the recording of this information. In particular, at the municipal, village, and town level, but also at the level of the office of the fire marshall, and workplace health and safety, there are a number of....

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Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Could this could be addressed through a log-in system and be certified by somebody who—

12:15 p.m.

First Vice-President, Canadian Association of Fire Chiefs

Robert Simonds

Exactly. It's about having sufficient auditing in place to negate any of those types of—

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Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

I just wanted to put that on the record. Thank you.

Mr. McKee, I'll ask you a quick question as well. In regard to your request, have you approached Health Canada, or even the CIHR, the Canadian Institutes of Health Research?

12:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Canada

Andrew McKee

Absolutely. That's in the nature of our request. If you read our proposal, it actually funds a partnership between CIHR and us. So we have a memorandum of understanding with CIHR, and the funding could flow either through CIHR or directly to us.

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Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

But what feedback have you had? Are they interested, or do they need more funding?

12:15 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Canada

Andrew McKee

Of course they're interested: they signed the memorandum of understanding two years ago.

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Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Okay, but is there enough funding there, or do they require more funding?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Canada

Andrew McKee

They require new funding to give effect to this as soon as possible.

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Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

So you would ask us to funnel it through CIHR?