Evidence of meeting #60 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was students.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Collyer  President, Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers
Don Herring  President, Canadian Association of Oilwell Drilling Contractors, Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers
Hilary Pearson  President , Philanthropic Foundations Canada
James Knight  President and Chief Executive Officer, Association of Canadian Community Colleges
Marg McAlister  Policy Analyst, Canadian Caregiver Coalition
Cameron Campbell  Campaign Coordinator, Canadian Federation of Students (Newfoundland and Labrador)
John Maduri  Chief Executive Officer, Barrett Xplore Inc.
Andrew Padmos  Chief Executive Officer, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada
Katherine McDonald  Executive Director, Action Canada for Population and Development
Terry Anne Boyles  Vice-President, Public Affairs, Association of Canadian Community Colleges
Bill Ferreira  Director, Government Relations and Public Affairs, Canadian Construction Association
Tyler Johnston  President, Canadian Federation of Medical Students
Shawn A-in-chut Atleo  National Chief, Assembly of First Nations
Stéphane Duguay  Senior Economist, Fédération des chambres de commerce du Québec
Michael Conway  Chief Executive and National President, Financial Executives International Canada
Diane Brisebois  President and Chief Executive Officer, Retail Council of Canada
Lise Leblanc  Chair, Visual Arts Alliance
Patrick Cooney  President and Chief Executive Officer, Jory Capital Inc.
Robert Labossière  Member and Director of Canadian Art Museum Directors' Organization, Visual Arts Alliance
Shawn Mondoux  Vice-President, Education, Canadian Federation of Medical Students

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Yes.

6:05 p.m.

National Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Shawn A-in-chut Atleo

I think it's absolutely critical. I've been reaching out to universities, to civil society, and will want to reach out to the associations of the likes we're sitting with here to suggest, as the member is, that we do need to work together to address this for this committee and the government. Previously in the pre-budget submission we identified a $2 billion investment that's required. In the area of education funding, this points to about a $1.2 billion deficit in education since the 2% cap.

So we're going to do our reach-out to suggest strongly that the growing aboriginal population has the potential to make a significant contribution to the labour force, but we've got to match these people with skills, with training, with education, and of course we're going to be looking to the government to support that. Right now we've got lists of people who would like to go to school and pursue these opportunities, but they're unable to. We hit a height of 30,000 in post-secondary in 2005, but it's declining dramatically. It makes no sense to have a significant decline occurring since 2005--it's 2009 now--when we've got the kinds of labour market needs that exist out there. So I agree with what the member was suggesting on this, that there needs to be a better match between first nation citizens and the needs of the economy.

6:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Martin.

We'll go to Mr. Pacetti, please.

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It's always difficult to get to all the witnesses, so thank you for appearing and thank you for your presentation.

I'd like to start with the Canadian Federation of Medical Students. In your brief, you were talking about the internal competition, if I can refer to the fact that Ontario is encouraging medical students to take up residency there. What will happen if all the provinces do the same thing? What are other countries doing? Is there a competition internally, or is there an international competition going on for medical students?

6:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Federation of Medical Students

Tyler Johnston

It's more of an internal competition. Our net outflow is going down, but what we are seeing is these incentives....

Sorry?

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Sorry...enrolment is going down?

6:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Federation of Medical Students

Tyler Johnston

No, our net outflow of physicians is going down, so more are staying here in Canada, but it is creating a bit of an internal competition among provinces, particularly in provinces that are resource-rich in terms of medical schools located in those provinces and their being able to attract more people. Once you establish a life in a particular area, you often don't leave, whereas in most cases, when there aren't financial incentives in play, students often go back to where they're from to practice, so they go home.

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Thank you.

In terms of international, I guess if you can get into a medical school, whether it be in Canada or outside, you jump at the opportunity, but is there competition internationally in terms of Canadians wanting to go overseas to study medicine?

6:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Federation of Medical Students

Tyler Johnston

I'll let Mr. Mondoux answer this one.

November 2nd, 2009 / 6:10 p.m.

Shawn Mondoux Vice-President, Education, Canadian Federation of Medical Students

I think we definitely don't have a lack of applicants in Canadian medical schools. Sadly, we don't have the positions for all the people who are applying, so we're selectively accepting people probably in the top 10 to 15 percentile of those applying to be future Canadian physicians, which means that those in the 2% to 3% below these students, who are still good candidates, tend to leave Canada to study somewhere else in this beautiful world of ours and pay significant sums of money to do so.

The problem is that after their training most of them seek to come back to Canada for clerkship positions and residency positions that don't exist, and that's the problem we see with that.

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Ms. Leblanc, I'd simply like to ask you a question about your second recommendation, which concerns the Museums Assistance Program. No specific amount is indicated. Is there one?

6:10 p.m.

Chair, Visual Arts Alliance

Lise Leblanc

I think there is a specific amount, but, once again, I'm going to ask Mr. Labossière, who is the expert from the Canadian Art Museum Directors Organization, to answer.

6:10 p.m.

Member and Director of Canadian Art Museum Directors' Organization, Visual Arts Alliance

Robert Labossière

On September 29 I had the pleasure of participating in a “Hill Day”, when many museum directors visited Parliament Hill--

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

I understand, but I'm looking for a specific amount.

6:10 p.m.

Member and Director of Canadian Art Museum Directors' Organization, Visual Arts Alliance

Robert Labossière

Part of the ask was $20 million a year for the MAP.

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Ms. Leblanc, with regard to the third recommendation, according to your study, what would be the need for loans to purchase artworks?

6:10 p.m.

Chair, Visual Arts Alliance

Lise Leblanc

How much should be lent?

6:10 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Yes, what amount should be made available to individuals in the form of loans, according to your third recommendation?

6:15 p.m.

Chair, Visual Arts Alliance

Lise Leblanc

My third recommendation is that the possibilities should be studied. The French say €10,000, which is how much, $2,000?

6:15 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

How many artworks could people be encouraged to buy with that amount?

6:15 p.m.

Chair, Visual Arts Alliance

Lise Leblanc

How many artworks?

6:15 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Yes.

6:15 p.m.

Chair, Visual Arts Alliance

Lise Leblanc

That depends on what they buy.

6:15 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

So you don't know what the demand is.

6:15 p.m.

Chair, Visual Arts Alliance

Lise Leblanc

No, I believe I don't understand the question.