Thank you.
I want to thank our witnesses for being here today.
Mr. Rosen, I do have one question. If you want to follow up with the committee, I'd appreciate that.
You talked about where it comes from is a problem and where it goes. When you talk about either tax avoidance or evasion, you talk about individuals, corporations, or enemies like organized crime. I understand why they're doing that, but I thought you also said that governments engage in avoidance and evasion as well. Then you said it was naive not to believe so.
At the risk of sounding naive, I'm having a hard time understanding how governments do that.