Evidence of meeting #28 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was shall.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Gérard Lalonde  Director, Tax Legislation Division, Department of Finance
Colin Bird  Director, Softwood Lumber Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

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Director, Tax Legislation Division, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

That's correct.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I appreciate that clarification.

Are there any further questions? I have no further questions or amendments on part 1 right up until clause 103, so can I call clauses 90 to 103?

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An hon. member

On division.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

(Clauses 90 to 103 inclusive agreed to on division)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay. Clauses 90 to 103 carry on division and that deals with part 1.

Part 2 deals with clauses 104 to 110.

Mr. Julian.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Mr. Chair, if you could give the page numbers, it would be helpful. Because as Mr. Jean did mention, for the brick there were page numbers for part 1, but not for part 2. I just think it's helpful for the smooth flow of things if you give us the page numbers as you identify the clauses, rather than have us struggle through referencing three different books before we can actually find which part of the bill we are speaking to.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I appreciate that. Clauses 104 to 110 in part 2 are on pages 144 and 145 of the bill.

Okay?

Mr. Julian.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I just have a question of our....

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Sure. Could we ask the part 2 officials to join us?

Thank you.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Thank you very much for being here.

I'm not going to talk about the softwood lumber agreement, because I could talk for a good long time--

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Have you changed your position on it?

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Certainly not, Mr. Chair, certainly not.

I'll spare the entire committee the various points that we could bring up on the softwood lumber agreement and its impact on jobs.

I want to ask our officials what the financial consequences are for the industry of the amendments that are here; I know that this is putting into place the arbitration award, but I want to get a clear sense of what the overall impact is.

November 3rd, 2011 / 4:10 p.m.

Colin Bird Director, Softwood Lumber Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

There is an estimated amount of about $59 million that would be collected in the tribunal award itself. That amount assumed that exports in 2011 would be back at the rate that they were at in 2006, which they manifestly are not at this point in time.

But what the award requires us to do is impose the additional charge at the rate of 0.1% on Ontario and 2.6% on Quebec until October 12, 2013. So the amount that will actually be collected in that period of time is dependent on the value and the amount of exports.

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Mr. Chair, just so we're clear on this, regardless of whether the arbitration award is fully subscribed, it's a set period of time. Or does that then get renewed, if the softwood lumber agreement is renewed, until the full payment is made?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Mr. Bird.

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Director, Softwood Lumber Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Colin Bird

This is a different kind of award from the one that took place in the first arbitration, in which a set amount was provided while the tribunal estimated what could be collected. The award is in the form of an ad valorem rate, and they have not opined on anything past October 12, 2013.

In this case, determining what will actually be collected by October 12, 2013, really depends on the volume and value of exports. As you know, we are in discussions with the United States about extension of the agreement.

I want to be very clear that the government has clearly indicated its intention that the tribunal award only requires us to collect this additional charge through October 12, 2013.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you very much.

I will call clauses 104 to 110.

On division?

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An hon. member

On division.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

(Clauses 104 to 110 inclusive agreed to on division)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you.

Thank you very much to our officials.

We'll now go to part 3, which includes clauses 111 to 145. It is found on pages 145 to 193. This deals with customs tariff simplification.

Okay? I have no amendments indicated in this section.

Shall clauses 111 to 145 carry?

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An hon. member

On division.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

(Clauses 111 to 145 inclusive agreed to on division)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

We'll now go to part 4 and clauses 146 and 147, which are on page 193. This part deals with facilitating low value imports.

Shall clauses 146 and 147 carry?