Evidence of meeting #70 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was clauses.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Gordon Boissonneault  Senior Advisor, Economic Analysis and Forecasting Division, Demand and Labour Analysis, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance
  • Sue Foster  Acting Director General, Policy, Appeals and Quality, Service Canada
  • Margaret Strysio  Director, Strategic Planning and Reporting, Parks Canada Agency
  • Stephen Bolton  Director, Border Law Enforcement Strategies Division, Public Safety Canada
  • Michael Zigayer  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
  • Garry Jay  Chief Superintendent, Acting Director General, HR Workforce Programs and Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
  • Jeff Hutcheson  Director, HQ Programs and Financial Advisory Services, Coporate Management and Comptrollership, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
  • Darryl Hirsch  Senior Policy Analyst, Intelligence Policy and Coordination, Department of Public Safety
  • Ian Wright  Executive Advisor, Financial Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
  • Nigel Harrison  Manager, Legislative and Parliamentary Affairs, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
  • David Lee  Director, Office of Legislative and Regulatory Modernization, Policy, Planning and International Affairs Directorate, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health
  • Anthony Giles  Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
  • Bruno Rodrigue  Chief, Income Security, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch, Department of Finance
  • Gerard Peets  Senior Director, Strategy and Planning Directorate, Department of Industry
  • Suzanne Brisebois  Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada, Public Safety Canada
  • Louise Laflamme  Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Department of Transport
  • Judith Buchanan  Acting Senior Manager, Labour Standards Operations, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada
  • Mark Hodgson  Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning, Department of Finance
  • Stephen Johnson  Director General, Evaluation Directorate, Strategic Policy and Research Branch, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development
  • James McNamee  Deputy Director, Horizontal Immigration Policy Division, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
  • Graham Barr  Director General, Transition Planning and Coordination, Shared Services Canada

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair James Rajotte

I think those points were relevant, but I appreciated the debate. It was a very lively one.

Before I go to the NDP amendments, which deal with clause 707, I will deal with clauses 700 to 706.

11:10 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash Parkdale—High Park, ON

Can we split them?

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair James Rajotte

Yes, we can split them up.

(Clause 700 agreed to)

(Clause 701 agreed to on division)

(Clause 702 agreed to on division)

(Clause 703 agreed to)

(Clause 704 agreed to)

(Clause 705 agreed to on division)

(Clause 706 agreed to on division)

So we've come to clause 707.

We have four NDP amendments. They are admissible. The issue is that they seem to be similar types of amendments. I'm not sure whether the NDP wants to introduce one of these, or two of these....

I don't know whether members have them in front of them. They are amendments NDP-48, NDP-49, NDP-50, and NDP-51.

Alternatively, we could move them all.

Against the better judgment of the legislative clerk, I will allow votes on all the amendments together. I'll let it be known that he advised me on it, but I will do this just in the interest of time.

So we will ask someone to move amendments NDP-48, NDP-49, NDP-50, and NDP-51.

Ms. Sims, do you move all of them?

11:15 p.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims Newton—North Delta, BC

Yes.

11:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair James Rajotte

Thank you.

We'll do the vote.

(Amendments negatived) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

(Clauses 707 to 710 inclusive agreed to on division)

I want to thank our officials for being here, especially so late at night. We appreciate that very much. Thank you.

We are moving to division 55, Shared Services Canada, which deals with clauses 711 and 712. Is there discussion on this?

Ms. Nash.

11:20 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash Parkdale—High Park, ON

There may be some good arguments to share some services. We know there are still some questions remaining around this.

In 2011 the government created a new agency, Shared Services Canada. They're charged with cutting the IT costs for more than 100 e-mail systems and more than 300 data centres in many federal departments. Their $2-billion budget is about 40% of Ottawa's yearly $5-billion in IT spending. So I do want to raise this.

There may be some real logic to consolidating some of these IT services. However, the Privacy Commissioner has warned that the consolidation may risk personal data. In particular, the spokesperson for her office has said:

We have underlined the fact that consolidating the email functions of so many federal organizations into one service could result in greater vulnerability for personal information.

The chief statistician, Wayne Smith, has warned that moving StatsCan's IT to Shared Services Canada may jeopardize the quality and confidentiality of the information it gathers.

So we have these questions. I guess I'll just ask Mr. Barr about this.

Thank you for being here so late. We really appreciate it.

Have you heard of these concerns about privacy? How is Shared Services Canada responding to the privacy issue?

June 5th, 2012 / 11:20 p.m.

Graham Barr Director General, Transition Planning and Coordination, Shared Services Canada

Questions about privacy and cyber-security have come up. With respect to Statistics Canada, they will continue to manage their data holdings. Shared Services Canada is responsible for operating the hardware the data is stored on, but the ownership of the information resides with Statistics Canada.

The creation of Shared Services Canada does not change in any way the security and privacy policies of the Government of Canada. Any decisions that will be taken in the future with respect to the transformation of government e-mail systems will respect those policies and laws. Our new department takes very seriously the responsibility to protect privacy and security in accordance with the relevant legislation and the policies.

11:20 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash Parkdale—High Park, ON

Thank you for clarifying that policy.

Could I just ask one subsequent question? I'm just wondering, what's the disconnect then with the Privacy Commissioner's office? Has there been communication with the Privacy Commissioner's office? They are still expressing concern about it.

11:20 p.m.

Director General, Transition Planning and Coordination, Shared Services Canada

Graham Barr

I wouldn't say that there's a disconnect with the Privacy Commissioner's office. In fact, that office and the Privacy Commissioner was one of the first groups we reached out to and engaged with upon the creation of Shared Services Canada. I think it's within the purview and the mandate of the Privacy Commissioner to raise issues around privacy, and it's important that she do so. We take that very, very seriously.

We're working closely with the departments that own the data as well as others, including the Privacy Commissioner, to make sure we do this right, we do it well, and we respect the privacy laws and policies that are in place.

11:20 p.m.

NDP

Peggy Nash Parkdale—High Park, ON

Okay. Thank you.

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair James Rajotte

Thank you, Ms. Nash.

(Clauses 711 and 712 agreed to on division)

Thank you very much, Mr. Barr.

We will then move to division 56. This deals with clauses 713 to 753, the Assisted Human Reproduction Act.

(Clauses 713 to 753 inclusive agreed to)

I see that as unanimous.

(Schedule 1 agreed to)

Shall the short title carry?

We have to discuss the short title.

11:25 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

Yes.

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair James Rajotte

Is it the length of the title we're objecting to?

11:25 p.m.

NDP

Wayne Marston Hamilton East—Stoney Creek, ON

I actually made some notes, Mr. Chair.

11:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair James Rajotte

Okay. We'll go to Mr. Marston on the short title.