They said that, and they said this as well.... There is no doubt that they're generally very pleased with your government and the direction your government is heading in. There's no doubt about that. What they were identifying was the fact that it was unnecessary to go to the point that you were intending to go to.
Now, on your next question around the science situation and where the university community may very well be at, as you know, a number of major programs fund the sciences in this country, including the university sciences—the major projects funding—as well as issues around NSERC. Some of what you're quoting there are positions that are.... Clearly, there are difficulties for many organizations. You're our employer, our members' employer; that's a difficult relationship. You're also the major funder for these organizations and we're all trying to ensure that the resources are there to have the things done that we believe need to be done on behalf of Canadians—