Okay. That's fascinating. I appreciate that.
Mr. Watkins, you talked about something that I believe in very passionately. We set up these false dichotomies between west and east, between manufacturing and energy, as you know, because you've been to Nisku in my area. You have a member there, Tenaris. You have other members in the area who very much are linked to the energy sector. When people say, “Here's energy and here's manufacturing, and they're two halves of a dichotomy and they don't meet”, you know very well that in fact they're integrated. In fact, the other panels have said that manufacturing and energy are much more directly linked than they have been in the past.
I know that was in your closing, but could you expand on that?