We'll have to end it there. We're well over time, but it is nice that we're having a calmer discussion than we had a week ago on this issue.
Dan and Greg have questions.
I have one for you, Mr. Sullivan. You talked about the training and skills development, etc., and you mentioned rationalizing the number of programs available, which is an interesting idea. Even in our offices—and I expect other MPs are the same as I am—when we get requests for money available either under EI or skills development or something else, we don't know which program to turn to, and we have to do research to find them. You're not alone in that.
There is a multitude of monies going out there in terms of training. Under the labour market development agreement there's $3 billion that the federal government transfers now to the provinces. Rationalizing may be one way, but are we getting the best bang for the buck? How do we get the best bang for the buck in getting people the skills they need to match up with the jobs that are available where we have shortages? What's the best way to do it? Are we just spending money and not knowing where it's going or what's the story from your point of view? How do we fix that?