Evidence of meeting #27 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was little.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Peter Llewellyn  Mayor of Georgetown
Bobby Jenkins  Chair, Annandale Harbour Authority
Gregory Norton  Chair, Annandale Harbour Authority
Norman Peters  Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority
Gérard Steele  Presenter, Naufrage Harbour Authority
Darrell Lesperance  Chairman, Naufrage Harbour Authority
Lewis Miller  Vice-President, Naufrage Harbour Authority

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Does that money cover the very minimal basics of small maintenance?

10:45 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

Very minimal. We're getting down there. Our chequing account was never so low, because we took it on ourselves last year to try to do a little extra patching and this and that.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

My last question for you, sir, is this. You indicated that when you took over these harbours as an authority you were given no training whatsoever. Is that correct?

10:45 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

That's pretty well correct.

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Peter Stoffer NDP Sackville—Eastern Shore, NS

Do you know of any other authorities that were given training on how to do what Mr. Matthews said, bookkeeping, what you should be charging, how you should look for repairs, that kind of stuff?

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

There should have been money given to the harbour authorities to hire a bookkeeper. We don't have the money to hire a bookkeeper. We have a bookkeeper and we have to pay her something. But we were left with no money to do anything. We were given harbours: “Take it and go on home.”

The 80-20 is still in place. If I find a project in Rustico or if they find a project in the harbour that's under $50,000, we pay 20% and the feds will pay the difference. If it's over $50,000, it has to go to Ottawa and it has to be....

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

Thank you, Mr. Stoffer.

Mr. Peters, you piqued my interest with your last comment. That's a new one on me, too, learning as we go. Are you telling me that--

10:50 a.m.

A voice

You shouldn't have told him.

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

I like things out in front.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

I don't know of anywhere that we pay 20%. That's what I'm trying to get at. So if you have a project at your facility for $40,000, the harbour authority pays 20% toward the repairs of that and the small crafts harbours program supplies the rest.

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

10:50 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

You get it all.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

They don't pay 20%, not that I'm aware of.

Is that a rule across the board?

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

We know it's a rule. We try to keep it up above $50,000. That way it goes to Ottawa and you people have to decide if it's a project then.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

So if the project is over $50,000, you don't pay anything?

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

That's right.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

But even projects that I'm aware of in my own riding for repairs that have to be carried out, the harbour authority doesn't pay 20%.

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

10:50 a.m.

A voice

[Inaudible--Editor]

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

No, it doesn't.

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

The cheque comes from small craft harbours. We put it in the credit union, and then we have to write a cheque for that amount plus 20% of our own.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

It's a new one on me.

I'm not supposed to be interfering in the conversation. Mr. Calkins, go ahead.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Peters, it certainly is good to hear from you. I had the pleasure of staying at Stanley Bridge last summer for a week. I think I actually took Marvin Graham out for a day fishing and I saw...is the name of the bay London Bay?

10:50 a.m.

Chairman, North Rustico Harbour Authority

Norman Peters

New London Bay, yes.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

I had a good look at the breakwater there. Now, that's a creosote post breakwater there, and because the breakwater has so many gaps or holes, the current no longer keeps open the channel that the fishermen from Stanley Bridge use.

Is Stanley Bridge part of your harbour authority?