Evidence of meeting #38 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was fishermen.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Tomasson  Director, Freshwater Harbour Authority Advisory Council
David Olson  Director and Member, Gimli Harbour Authority
Robert Kristjanson  Lake Winnipeg Fishers
Allan Gaudry  Vice-Chair, Manitoba Commercial Inland Fishers Federation
Kevin Sigurdson  Manager, Goodman's Landing
Henry Traverse  Spokesman, Jackhead Fisheries

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

Thank you, Mr. Kamp. In the short time I've been here we stopped at Winnipeg Beach, we went out to Arnes Harbour, and now we're back here in Gimli. Roughly how far apart is that? I would imagine those are the three small craft harbours and there are no small craft harbours in between. Those are the three that are here.

10:50 a.m.

Lake Winnipeg Fishers

Robert Kristjanson

Winnipeg Beach is nine miles and Arnes is fifteen or sixteen miles.

If my wife heard you say “Arness”, she might come over and give you a little tap on the back of your head.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

Arnes?

10:50 a.m.

Lake Winnipeg Fishers

Robert Kristjanson

It's not “Arness”; it's “Arnes”. We've got some good Icelandic stuff--

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

I've had many taps on the back of my head already.

10:50 a.m.

Lake Winnipeg Fishers

Robert Kristjanson

We brought you in from Alberta to a great country.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

Be that as it may, from a safety perspective, is nine miles, fifteen miles...? That's a long way to go in a boat. I guess what I'm asking, from a fisherman's perspective, is how far do you venture out? How far do you need to go to get to the places where you're fishing? I know a bit about walleye, and they're a school--

10:50 a.m.

Lake Winnipeg Fishers

Robert Kristjanson

They fish fifteen miles offshore. The distance is not.... They say another eight or ten miles down. Hecla is around the corner. So you have the harbours; all you want are the facilities--not to go with the harbours.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

So there's no need, from a safety perspective, to really have more of them. Just make sure the ones that are there are kept up, and that's all you would need to do.

10:50 a.m.

Lake Winnipeg Fishers

Robert Kristjanson

Just kept up, yes.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

That's good.

Mr. Gaudry, I believe you testified in Ottawa already.

10:50 a.m.

Vice-Chair, Manitoba Commercial Inland Fishers Federation

Allan Gaudry

Yes, I did.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

You mentioned again the bushing of the fish. I will not get too far off topic again, because we are talking about small craft harbours. I asked this question of the previous guests who were here, whether or not small craft harbour policy should be there to supplement the overall fishing policy, and of course the fisheries policy here is through the federal corporation. I know there's an exemption to that. Is it Island Lake?

10:50 a.m.

A voice

Yes.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

I'm just wondering if either of you want to have any comments on that, or if you know how that's working as far as that exemption is concerned. What would you be looking for insofar as maybe a dual marketing system is concerned?

10:55 a.m.

Vice-Chair, Manitoba Commercial Inland Fishers Federation

Allan Gaudry

At Island Lake, we're very familiar with the concern there. We have a director out of there. It's the cost of freight. They're the most remote corner of the province, without any roads, so everything has to be flown out. With the cost of freight to move a fish out of that corner, it's almost--

10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Blaine Calkins Conservative Wetaskiwin, AB

So it's not a very representative sample of the fishery in Manitoba as far as the pilot project is concerned.

10:55 a.m.

Vice-Chair, Manitoba Commercial Inland Fishers Federation

Allan Gaudry

No. They have many challenges in the cost of freight. I suggested to them that they start processing and freezing fish so that they'll have the storage capacity. Why send a plane down there to pick up round fish or dressed fish? Pick up the fillet, because then you have more volume in the freight. Also, if you store it in the frozen form, at least when you go there you have a full load; you're not just going there for a partial load. Then it does make sense to go up there and pick up the fish.

Those are some of the suggestions and ideas that are coming out of the support for Island Lake. Freshwater fish was very easy for them to drop. Why would you want to go and get that fish when it's the most costliest fish to retrieve? So it was easy to drop freshwater fish in that area. So they said, “Well, we'll find our own”, but that's still a challenge today, to freight that fish out of that corner.

10:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

Thank you, Mr. Calkins.

I'd like to thank our witnesses for their presentations here this morning. We are certainly gaining a different perspective of the fishery in this area from what most of us are used to. It's been a worthwhile exercise. Thank you.

We'll adjourn this part of the meeting now and get ready for our next set of presenters.

Thank you.

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

I call this session to order and welcome our witnesses here this morning.

Our process is for you to make a presentation, and then members of our committee may have some questions for you on your presentation or otherwise.

I'm not sure if you were here at the beginning of our session, but we are the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans. We're in the process of preparing a report that hopefully will enhance the small craft harbours program under the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

We represent all the parties of the House of Commons. Our two representatives from the Bloc are not with us today, due to circumstances beyond their control. They had to return to Ottawa last night, but we have representation here from the Conservative Party, the Liberal Party and the NDP.

We thank you for taking the time to be with us today to make a presentation. We toured some harbours here yesterday and we heard from some presenters earlier this morning. Certainly, it has been an eye-opener for all of us to learn about the different types of fishery you have here, though the needs and wants here are similar to many other areas. Therefore, we look forward to your presentation.

First, we'd like you to introduce yourselves and let us know what organization you represent. We will ask Mr. Traverse to begin the presentations, but first I'd like you to introduce yourselves.

May 29th, 2008 / 11:05 a.m.

Kevin Sigurdson Manager, Goodman's Landing

I'm Kevin Sigurdson, and I'm representing Goodman's Landing Fisheries. I work for Kinonjeoshtegon First Nation.

11:05 a.m.

Henry Traverse Spokesman, Jackhead Fisheries

I'm Henry Traverse, from Jackhead Reserve. We gave it back its original name of Kinonjeoshtegon First Nation. In English, it's Jackhead Reserve.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

Thank you, Mr. Traverse.

Opening remarks from Mr. Traverse. The floor is yours, sir.

11:05 a.m.

Spokesman, Jackhead Fisheries

Henry Traverse

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

When I came here this morning, I didn't know if the committee wanted me to bring something on paper to present my case.

My reservation, Jackhead Reserve, is a fishing community. The reason I came here is for identification purposes. We've been living on this lake we're sitting beside this morning for centuries. We've been getting our livelihood from this lake. I didn't come here to speak on behalf of the FFMC, the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation. I'm here to represent my community, my family, my ancestral...the connections we have to the fishing industry.

I wanted to say that much, but I guess I have to provide you with all the necessary information: who I am and who we are as Nishnawbe people. I want to read something to you. I don't know if the committee got a copy of some of my recommendations we are facing back in our community, but I want to read this document. Also, I guess the committee knows we're a federal responsibility. This came about the day the treaties were signed. This is why we're in this situation today. The way I express myself, I have to identify who I am and where I come from wherever I go.

I want to read this to you. It's a declaration of our first nations that we have to bring forward. Wherever we go, whatever we do, we're going to talk about water rights and everything like that.

This declaration went to England in 1985, and the House of Lords had a standing ovation in support of it. I want to read it to you here this morning. I don't want to be too long. I don't know how many minutes I have; I understand it's five minutes. It says:

We the Original Peoples of this Land know the Creator put us here.

The Creator gave us Laws that govern all our relationships to live in harmony with nature and mankind.

The Laws of the Creator defined our rights and responsibilities.

The Creator gave us spiritual beliefs, our languages, our culture, and a place on Mother Earth which provides us with all our needs.

We have maintained our freedom, our Languages, and our traditions from time immemorial.

We continue to exercise the rights and fulfill the responsibilities and obligations given to us by the Creator for the land upon which we were placed.

The Creator gave us the right to self-determination.

The rights and responsibilities given to us by the Creator cannot be altered or taken away by any other Nation.

We have to try to maintain and balance our communities, our lives, with some of the things in this document, which carries the duties and responsibilities of every first nation. At the same time, I have these five points that are very critical and crucial for our situation where I come from.

As I said, I don't want to put the blame on anything here today.

Also, I want to give respect to everybody sitting at the table here. At the same time, as I said, I'm not here to defend the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation, because it's a crown corporation.

In our small communities, we have lots of despair, lots of suicides. Young people are killing each other because they don't have anything to do. What we need and want in our communities is to be able to get on with life and to try to create something for our young people today. Those are the purposes we strive for today as community leaders and community fishermen.

The reason why I talk this way is that this is the way I live and this is the way I walk. I try to follow my culture every day, and I have to state what I have to say about my identity. But I want to thank you all for listening to me. I don't want to go overboard here.

Our community needs something like a good harbour where I come from, the Jackhead Reserve. That's the reason why I've been leading talks with our MLA and with our MP, in order to try to get this harbour that we need in our community, the Jackhead Reserve. In some of the places where they construct these government wharves, there's a lot of drug activity and lots of alcohol going through--places that I've seen around Lake Winnipeg. In some communities, when they have a government wharf there, they do not try to involve it with their FFMC fish plant. I know of a couple of places that don't have a concern about it, but where I come from, we definitely need a good, safe wharf that we can use for our future.

I recently got into a bigger quota, and as I speak, I don't have a place to have protection for my boat.

I want to say that much at this time. I don't want to offend anybody. If I do, I ask for your forgiveness.

I don't know if I should read these other five pages. They point out the problem we're having in developing the Jackhead harbour authority, number one. We're in the process of doing that because it will be a benefit for the future economic development of our community.

We live at the end of the road here, so we're all that's left at the bottom of the bag, I'll say. Where we live, we're not a very big community. We have about a hundred homes where I come from, but fishing is our main resource. We've always relied on the river for protection for our boats, but as you say, everything is getting to be environmentally watched today. It's very hard to be able to have a clean environment if you're going to be parking boats in the river.

As I said, our fishery goes back a hundred years, ever since the first contact began in documents and papers. We've always been involved in the fishery. My ancestors, my grandfathers, my forefathers were the ones who were involved in these negotiations when this fishery was being established. At the same time, that was their livelihood. I'm always very grateful for that today, so that I can be here today. In terms of the way they lived their lives, everything has changed and has come to be the way it is today.

Anyway, I wanted to say that much for now. I'll leave it at that.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Fabian Manning

Thank you, Mr. Traverse. Certainly you don't have to come here and apologize in any way. We're not offended by hearing from people like yourself. That's the purpose of our committee, that's the purpose of our travels, and that's the purpose of our study. We welcome your input into what we are doing. Certainly the concerns you have raised are unique in some ways, and that's even more of a reason to be here in Gimli today, to hear from people like yourself.

With that, we'll pass on to Mr. Sigurdson.

Before we hear from our next witness, he has provided us with a document that is in the English language only. I just wanted to have consensus of the committee to pass this around. We will have it converted to French afterwards for our colleagues from the Bloc.

Any objection to passing this around as it is presented?