Evidence of meeting #15 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was open-net.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Lane  Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation
Andrew Wright  Technology Advisor, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

3:35 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

I would like to call this meeting of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans to order. Specifically, we're doing a study on closed containment aquaculture. We have two witnesses with us today by videoconference.

Thanks to both of you for joining us.

We have, from the T. Buck Suzuki Foundation, David Lane, who is the executive director. We also have the SOS Marine Conservation Foundation's technology adviser, Dr. Andrew Wright.

Gentlemen, you have 10 minutes each for your presentations. These will be followed by questions and comments by the members. Likely, we will have two rounds of questioning. The first round for us will be seven minutes, and the second will be a shorter round of five minutes each—that's for questions and answers.

Thank you for accepting the invitation to be with us today. I would like to turn the floor over to Mr. Lane, I guess.

Would you like to go first?

3:35 p.m.

David Lane Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

Actually, I think Andy Wright would be the one to go first.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

All right.

Andy Wright, please.

3:35 p.m.

Dr. Andrew Wright Technology Advisor, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Thank you for the privilege and the invitation to speak with you today. I have provided a powerpoint presentation. Have you all been provisioned with it at your end?

3:35 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

We have it. Thank you.

3:35 p.m.

Technology Advisor, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Dr. Andrew Wright

If you recall, the last time I had the privilege to speak before you, we had just completed our technology report, “Technologies for Viable Salmon Aquaculture”. I encourage you to perhaps reread it. If you haven't and if you're new to the committee, I encourage you to perhaps consider reading it.

Since that time, we have also done a very preliminary comparison of the greenhouse gas emissions from closed containment and open ocean net-pen aquaculture procedures. Again, we would encourage you, in your own time, to read that.

Today I'm going to give you a synopsis of where we've come from, where we are, and where we're going. It draws upon the work in those two reports, as well as our work with the 'Namgis First Nation in Port McNeill, which is actually building the first RAS system in British Columbia.

I'm now turning to page 3 and some RAS design foundations.

For those who did read the report, you'll recall that as a foundation we were concerned primarily with the ecology of the environment, first and foremost, so we examined all technologies for salmon aquaculture--net pens, in-ocean technologies, and land-based technologies--from an array of two broad parameters: husbandry requirements of the fish and biological security requirements.

From that heuristic overview, we very quickly drilled into the fact that land-based full recirculation was the technology of choice for addressing our concerns. I press upon you to consider that the biosecurity issues that we were very concerned about have become truly pressing, because biosecurity truly equates to economic security for rural communities. That was graphically illustrated with the ISA outbreak in Chile, in which the entire workforce was laid off the moment the herds of fish were culled. That today seems very prevalent, particularly when you realize that closed containment, with each site being bio-isolated, ensures that your industry--plus your employment of the citizenry--is truly secure, because there is no vector by which disease can go from farm site to farm site. They are bio-isolated.

Moving on to page 4, where are we today? We've embarked with the 'Namgis nation and the SOS Marine Conservation Foundation upon building a farm—it is under the working partnership of K'udas—and we've looked at two things for you today that are of key importance.

The capital and the civil costs to build this system are coming in at between $6 million and $7 million. These are based on engineering drawings as we go into the construction phase, with PR Aqua being our design team. They have built fish farms all over the world.

The farm that we're building will produce approximately 400 tonnes of live-weight fish at 75 kilograms per m3 densities, and the system is designed with headroom to reach 500 tonnes of production per annum. That puts you, if you do a little bit of back-of-the-envelope math, at 1,000 tonnes of production every two years.

So 2,000 tonnes of production every two years would put you at a cost of about $14 million, which is very close to the $12 million we had estimated in the 2009-10 timeframe and substantially lower than the $22 million estimated by DFO. These now are hard estimates, which we're going to use going into production or into construction. It is also appropriate to note that of that $6 million to $7 million, the civil costs are actually disproportionately large, because we are developing the entire site to be able to rapidly expand with more production modules.

Our operating costs are also important to focus upon. Labour is currently our least well-defined utilization, because we simply haven't built and operated a farm. But energy was the key driver in many of the discussions. Our energy costs were initially estimated at nine kilowatt hours per kilogram of each fish produced. That estimate has fallen by exactly 50%.

We still have some way to go, because Atlantic Sapphire is a 1,000-metric-tonne, land-based salmon closed-containment system in Denmark that has just come on line, and they're reporting power consumptions of just two kilowatt hours per kilogram of fish produced. Although our current estimates are substantially smaller than what we initially estimated, they are still bigger than the best in class in the world.

Nonetheless, it's important to remember that at nine kilowatt hours, profitability was previously assured in our analysis. We are truly in a position where we can see, with scale, that the operating expenses can be truly commensurate with those of net-pen.

I will turn to page 5. I want to illuminate where some of those operating costs come from. This is a very busy chart, but standard, off-the-shelf RAS design is pretty much equivalent to thinking about a bathtub with the plug undone: you're pouring warm water into it to keep the fish there at a healthy culture temperature, and you're running a heater to heat that cold water as it comes in. The cost to do that would be literally $2 million a year by burning propane for 1,000 metric tonnes of production. This is what the industry today is assessing as being the non-viable break point.

It is the diagram at the bottom of the page that should be used and it is the diagram that we will use in our farm. As that warm effluent flows out--and it comes from two sources, the air that is blown through to strip CO2 and the warm water effluent--we extract, with passive heat exchangers, the bulk of that energy. Then, on the residual, we use active heat pumps to reclaim the remaining heat.

That pushes our energy costs down by literally a factor of 10. That is based on a very detailed analysis, assuming the full weather analysis from -2 degrees in the middle of the winter to +20 degrees in the summer. The work is being cross-checked by professional heat engineers from a company called GENIVAR. Lo and behold, Atlantic Sapphire, the company in Denmark that has built the first salmon RAS, is taking exactly the same approach.

That takes me to the next slide and the production of greenhouse gas emissions. This is preliminary work, and I want to stress the word “preliminary”. In that, I would like to solicit your help later in the discussion here.

We are seeing a large amount of discussion in the public forum about how RAS systems are power hogs and can't possibly be considered because of their huge GHG footprint. We took the analysis methodology by Peter Tyedmers, who's an expert in this area, and focused that methodology for the environment of British Columbia.

We did a comparative analysis where we assumed the impact of smolts and feed production was identical. We assumed that once the fish were taken to harvest, they were identical from that point forth. We simply compared the actual core production of fish in land-based production and fish in open-net production. On the next page, you'll see a dramatic analysis with two pie charts.

Open-net pen production has the potential to be substantially worse than land-based farms. The difference in the work is focused at two levels. The original work by Peter Tyedmers assumed electricity based on fossil fuels in central Canada and assumed what I would call an archaic RAS system design. If you strip those two, or account for those two variables, then land-based and ocean-based become equivalent in greenhouse gas production--with it slightly in the favour of land-based farms.

But what has not ever been accurately accounted for is the benthic fouling methane off-gassing. We assumed in this work, and it is a big assumption--and this speaks to the forthcoming ask--that when benthic fouling occurs, we monitor for a sulfate production in the anaerobic layer that forms on the base of the ocean floor. That layer also forms methane. To date, there has been no accurate accounting of that. If you assume that just 70% of that biomass rots in the appropriate manner, you have this huge disparity between land-based and ocean-farmed production.

So on our request, turning to page 8, is that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans are currently looking at a full—

3:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

I'm sorry to interrupt, but could you could just wrap up? Your 10 minutes are up. Could you come quickly to a close in less than a minute or so, Andy?

3:45 p.m.

Technology Advisor, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Dr. Andrew Wright

Yes, absolutely, Fin.

Our observation and request is that a full LCA is included that accounts for that effect, because it's important. As you turn to page 9, you'll see a huge number of industry opportunities and first-mover advantages for British Columbia. Specifically, if you can demonstrate that your new production method reduces greenhouse gases, there's a $25-per-tonne income stream that is available to help fuel the migration from ocean- to land-based technologies.

British Columbia is privileged with a huge number of first-mover advantages. Moving to my wrap-up on slide 10, those advantages are not permanent. Entrepreneurs closer to market will develop competitive solutions, and we are beginning to see this in Denmark with their first farm, Atlantic Sapphire, coming online this last summer. They built that farm for less than $10 million Canadian.

My point to you is that the opportunity here to secure a vibrant, economic, and secure aquaculture industry in British Columbia, serving the rural communities, is at risk if we don't catalyze the change in the current timeframe.

Thank you, Fin.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

Thank you very much, Mr. Wright.

We will go right into the next presentation.

Mr. Lane, you'll have 10 minutes to give the committee a presentation before we go to questions and comments.

3:45 p.m.

Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

David Lane

Thank you very much. I appreciate the chance to be called to give further information to the committee at this time.

I represent an organization called the T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation. We've been in existence for more than 20 years. As an environmental group, we're based very much on people who work in the commercial fishing industry on fish boats or in fish plants. Our stated mandate is to work to protect wild salmon and other fisheries in the Province of British Columbia.

We're also active in a coalition of four organizations that have banded together and been working for 10 years on looking at impacts from open-net salmon farms. It's called the Coastal Alliance for Aquaculture Reform. We're not about closing down open-net farms; we're about finding solutions to the environmental problems.

We have always said that closed containment is the way to eliminate those environmental impacts specifically. The things that closed containment are able to do and are proven to have done.... The two top issues for the environmental community in British Columbia are the impact from sea lice and the impact from diseases that are generated and amplified on open-net salmon farms that are on salmon migration routes and can transfer to wild juvenile salmon. Those impacts have been well documented in scientific studies showing that the more sea lice you have on fish farms, the more you have on juvenile migration routes with wild juvenile salmon. We believe the same to be true as far as disease is concerned.

If you move salmon farms onto land in closed containment, you virtually eliminate that possibility of sea lice transfer and disease transfer. As a matter of fact, the proponents of closed containment technologies believe that you can operate a farm with no disease whatsoever and even without the use of antibiotics.

As Andy Wright mentioned, the waste from open-net fish farms floats to the bottom and can cause smothering of the ocean floor. That's eliminated entirely by having closed containment, where the water is circulated, filtered, and treated, and all solid waste is removed and can be used as a resource, as fertilizer. It can be used for a lot of different products.

There have been increasing incidents of marine mammals being killed by open-net salmon farm operators. There were 141 California sea lions shot just in the first three months of this year, according to Department of Fisheries and Oceans statistics. That, of course, is not a problem at all with closed containment. You're removing those fish—the target—from the open environment and that problem is virtually eliminated.

With those impacts being zero with closed containment, there still remain a few issues. I want to touch on three that have been brought up to the committee by the salmon farming industry in British Columbia.

The first is that it would take a huge footprint of land to move fish farms from open nets to closed containment. The second is that there's a huge water use. Thirdly, rural jobs where there are currently open-net fish farms would be lost, presumably to urban centres. All three, we believe, are incorrect statements. I'll go through them one by one.

First of all, as far as the huge land footprint is concerned, the spokesperson for the Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance, Ruth Salmon, spoke to you on November 1 and said that she believed that in New Brunswick, for example, it would take the equivalent of 18,000 football fields to house closed containment, as opposed to the current net-pen operations. That number is out by more than 200 times. It's actually 200 times less than that.

The amount of land required to move to closed containment actually is about identical to the amount of ocean being used by open-net pens right now. The structure of a net pen.... I'm sure you've seen it visually in some demonstrations. A building needed for closed containment to produce about the same amount of fish needs about the same space.

There's a bit of space around it, about equal to the amount of anchoring for a fish farm in the ocean. There would really be no different footprint on land than on ocean. The difference is simply that it's on private property, on land, and we have more than enough land in British Columbia. To house the same production on land would take about 140 hectares.

If you put that into perspective, agriculture is a huge economic boon in British Columbia, and there are four million hectares in our agriculture land reserve. This would be .001% of that required to have a viable and new economy through closed containment in British Columbia. Also, to put it in perspective, it's about the same space as the largest blueberry farm in the Fraser Valley in British Columbia--one farm.

With respect to water use, it takes a fair bit of water to run the system and to have multiple tanks in a commercial-scale facility, but this is not much different than the water needed for a major food-processing plant or a major fish-processing plant. We have a lot of water in British Columbia. The biggest uses of water are hydroelectricity and agriculture irrigation. This would be a small fraction of those uses. It's a matter of the source and the sustainability of that source.

Finally, I want to touch on the issue of rural communities and jobs moving from where open nets currently are. As a matter of fact, all of the proposals for closed containment operations are in rural communities. They're in the communities on our coast. Good possibilities would be Port Hardy, Campbell River, and even further up in northern Vancouver Island. It helps to be near a fish-processing plant. It's suited to rural communities and it's particularly good for first nations communities.

We believe that the current jobs in open-net operations could be immediately transferred to land-based closed containment. There would be two added bonuses.

First, there are more jobs created through closed containment. It takes more people to run a closed containment operation. This was verified in a Department of Fisheries and Oceans study which found that at least 50% more people are needed to run a closed containment farm. That's a boon for local rural economies.

Second, it's often forgotten that open-net fish farms aren't actually in communities. They're often an hour or so away by boat, in remote locations where somebody goes for a week or more, away from his family and away from his community. If closed containment were in the local community, they would be able to drive to work, just like for a regular job. This, we believe, would be a significant boost for rural economies and first nations in British Columbia and elsewhere in Canada.

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

That's great. Thanks to both of you for your presentations.

We'll open it up for questions and comments now. We'll go to Ms. Davidson.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

My thanks to you gentlemen for your presentation to us this afternoon. It has been interesting and informative.

We've been studying this for a while. Although I'm new to this committee, I'm finding it very interesting and we are hearing a lot of good testimony from a lot of different people on both sides of the country.

We heard, for instance, that there were three areas in the Maritimes where aquaculture was in high concentration, and it was felt that aquaculture was the primary threat to wild salmon runs. That was stated by one of the organizations that spoke to us. Do you share that point of view?

Mr. Lane, do you find that on the west coast?

3:55 p.m.

Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

David Lane

British Columbians, and certainly those in the environment sector, believe that this is the number one issue. Sea lice and disease can magnify on farms and be transmitted to wild salmon migration routes. The juveniles are the most susceptible. All the scientific studies show that the more farms you have, the more you have sea lice and the more sea lice will be transferred to wild salmon. We believe that could be a dangerous threat to our wild salmon stocks in British Columbia.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

One of the other things that we heard from previous testimony was the issue of escapes from the open-net systems, that being a threat to the wild salmon runs. Do you have any information on that or can you give us any comments on that?

3:55 p.m.

Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

David Lane

There have been studies done on escapes. The end result of a major escape would be that farmed salmon, which are a different species--they are Atlantic salmon, which doesn't belong on our Pacific coast—could injure our local streams, potentially breed, and take over.

There is no evidence that it has happened so far. On the list of impacts, we're concerned about that. We're concerned about it in the long term, but at the moment it's further down on the list of impacts that we're immediately concerned about. It's eliminated entirely if you move to closed containment.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

You have different regulations on the west coast than they do on the east coast. It's my understanding that on the east coast they must have a native species, and on the west coast you don't. Is that what you're telling me?

3:55 p.m.

Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

David Lane

It has been a curiosity for a long time. The fish-farm industry in British Columbia is predominantly Atlantic salmon, which is not a species that lives on the Pacific coast. It's odd that it was allowed originally. The original provincial biologist, when this was being put forward 15 years ago, said that should never happen, but that is in fact what most of our salmon farms in British Columbia are raising.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

I now want to go on and ask you about the three remaining issues you identified. You talked about the huge footprint, the large amount of water use, and the loss of employment to urban centres. Maybe I'll start with the third one first.

I don't subscribe to the thought that it's going to be developed in urban centres. If we're talking about the land mass that we've been told about by previous presenters, I think it's still going to be in rural areas. It may not be in coastal areas, but it is going to have to be in rural areas. That ties in directly to your comments about the land mass, and if you're saying that they don't need a large land mass, I'm going to have to rethink whether it's going to be able to be closer to urban centres.

Could you comment on that, please?

4 p.m.

Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

David Lane

First of all, it was an illusion by the salmon farming industry that the current rural jobs would move to urban centres. We believe that won't be the case, for a number of reasons.

First of all, it is very suited to rural communities, and it's in rural communities now that you have less expensive land. You would never want to be dealing with urban land prices, so small centres are more amenable. Also, there is a skilled workforce, including those who are working in wild salmon fish-processing in the rural coastal communities. But as another option for development, we also have the ability to expand beyond the coast to other places that aren't immediately on the ocean.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

When you were talking about the footprint, I believe you said that there wouldn't be a difference in size of the footprint on land or in open nets, that it would be roughly the same amount of footprint that would be required. Is the density the same?

4 p.m.

Executive Director, T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation

David Lane

The density in a closed containment farm is greater. You can grow salmon in closed containment with more density and thereby get more production, but still, the actual physical area of an open-net pen in the ocean is almost the same as putting it on land, for the same number of fish.

I think Andy has a comment on that as well.

4 p.m.

Technology Advisor, SOS Marine Conservation Foundation

Dr. Andrew Wright

Patricia, if you pull down my first report, you will see that we've nailed down full engineering diagrams for the construction that we're going to build. We're building a farm. We've raised the money. We're rolling.

In my original report two years ago, I did full-scale drawings then. They are accurate to 5%, and I did a full assessment on what it would take to rebuild the entire industry on land and on the footprint required for that. It is substantively smaller than the proponents of net-pen would have you believe. I'd encourage you to take 10 minutes to read it. If you can read only one section, perhaps read that section.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Thank you.

I want to go back to your third remaining issue. That was water use.

Can you relay to me what type of water use and how much water use we're talking about? Is it recirculated? Is it fresh use each time?

4 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Fin Donnelly

We have about 30 seconds left.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Okay.

We're running out of time.