Evidence of meeting #24 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was imta.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Andrew Storey  President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.
Fraser Walsh  Chair, Board of Directors, Huntsman Marine Science Centre
Bill Robertson  Executive Director, Huntsman Marine Science Centre
Thierry Chopin  Scientific Director, Canadian Integrated Multi-Trophic Aquaculture Network, University of New Brunswick

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call this meeting to order.

I'd like to thank our witnesses for taking time from their busy schedules to join us here today. I'm sure you've been briefed by the clerk in what the committee has been studying over the last little while. We certainly look forward to your comments today and to the opportunity to ask questions. I know committee members are very interested in the subject at hand.

I am assuming the clerk has informed you that we allow about ten minutes for presentations, and then we move into questions after that. There are some time constraints with respect to questions, so please do not be offended if I interrupt you at some point. It's in the interest of trying to get in as many questions as possible and to allow for fairness between members. These times were negotiated between parties beforehand, and are in the standing rules.

Having said that, who would like to start our presentations and make opening comments?

The floor is yours, Mr. Storey. Whenever you're ready, please proceed.

3:30 p.m.

Andrew Storey President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Thank you very much.

I'm Andrew Storey, president and CEO of Open Ocean Systems from Saint John, New Brunswick.

We have been asked to make this submission to your committee in order to share how our activities might impact the future direction of aquaculture development and debate in Canada in ways that were not contemplated by the Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat when the original assessment of traditional open-net pen and closed containment systems was performed.

We would also like to take this opportunity to illustrate how our activities and technology align with priority areas identified by the government as key to Canada’s future ability to enhance our standard of living and competitiveness within the global community. So while our sectoral focus is actually the farming of fish in the sea, lakes, and man-made reservoirs, we are really here to talk about rural development, rural job and rural wealth creation, first nations communities engagement, innovation, innovation commercialization, productivity improvement, and increased export sales of goods, services, and technology to global markets.

That's really quite a long laundry list, but I'll only be ten minutes, I promise.

All of this is balanced with emerging ecosystem management principles that ensure the long-term ability of our abundant natural resources to sustain an additional stream of wealth for our country.

To put all of this into context, in Canada we have quite amazing natural aquatic resources. Canada has 25% of the world’s coastline and 16% of its fresh water. The abundance and extremely high quality of these natural resources would suggest that we should be global leaders in aquaculture output as well as aquaculture technology. However, Canada’s share of global aquaculture output hovers somewhere around 0.3%, and with our growth in output more or less stagnant over the past few years, we are falling even further behind.

The good news, though, is that the aquaculture sector, which in many ways is still in its infancy, shows no sign of moderating. Indeed, the movement towards further growth in aquaculture output is virtually unstoppable. There is still tremendous opportunity and scope for Canada to assume it rightful position in this most global of sectors, and, more importantly, to use the resources and the financial and innovation tools we possess to create significant additional wealth for the country, especially in our rural areas.

I have two other pieces of good news. First, the knowledge and understanding is now starting to catch up with this very young and promising industry, and is pointing to what is truly important and possible from an ecological and economic point of view within this sector. As well, because of this relative youth, there is really, at this point, no traditional way to farm fish. I'm a pioneer, and I'm still a pretty young guy in this industry. We are not held back in considering alternative business models for farming fish within Canada.

So far in Canada, two business models are emerging—conventional or open-net pen farming and various forms of the closed containment system—both of which have been the focus of this committee and studies by DFO. As our title suggests, we have what we consider to be a third option.

Just as a bit of background, we're based in Saint John, New Brunswick. We have been developing our innovative fish farming technology since 2006, and we're now commercializing the products. The foundation of the system we call the “iCage”, which is patented fixed-volume, fixed-framework net pen architecture. I think you all should have received pictures of it.

The iCage has a number of attributes and functionalities, such as fixed growing volume, tensioned nets, submergence, rotation, and independent mooring configurations. To this operating platform we are now adding advanced sensor webs that give us a window into the growing units for high operational efficiency. When you really get to think about it, we're actually taking elements from both of the business models being considered by the committee so far while we add additional capabilities.

Currently we have iCage net pen containment systems operating successfully on commercial farms in the Bay of Fundy—farming Atlantic salmon—as well as Lake Diefenbaker in Saskatchewan. We've also grown cobia where we should all be today: at a warm-water site in Belize.

So our technology shows great promise, not only for growing fish in Canada but also for export of the technology. By April of this year, well over 300 tonnes of fish will have been grown or harvested from our generation one iCage units.

What does this mean for rural development in Canada? Through our development process, we realize our technology enables new approaches to unlocking more farmed seafood value from Canada's natural aquatic resources—an effort that has been constrained in the past by scale, geography, and investment. In order to have more aquaculture output, Canada needs to have more farmers farming more fish in more areas of Canada. It's a pretty simple equation.

The typical operational and investment scale required for the two business models being considered by the committee creates a significant barrier to entry for many parties, be they individuals or corporations, considering fish-farming opportunities. Scale and other constraints also limit the availability of suitable geographical locations for these types of farming operations as well. As a result, opportunities for rural development in many parts of Canada using these two models can be constrained. I'm not saying they are, but they can be.

A key focus for our company has been issues concerning small-scale fish-farming technology requirements. The iCage platform eliminates net management, reducing operational and infrastructure investment costs, which are key drivers for large scale in conventional net-pen farming. Fixed volume and tensioned nets maximizes natural water flow through the iCage, which is the largest operational cost associated with closed containment systems, requiring significant investment in pumps and energy to run them.

These are just two of the considerations that enable much smaller economic units for farming operations using the iCage. Our models show that a profitable iCage-based farm can be as small as 250 metric tonnes to 500 metric tonnes, versus the 2,500 metric tonnes to 5,000 metric tonnes considered in the other business models and in the models originally developed by DFO. Coupled with the ability to be submerged, these smaller farm site requirements open up vast new areas for fish farming in Canada that are otherwise currently unused. Consisting of just three to six individually moored units—what we call an iFarm, pardon the pun and apologies to Mr. Jobs—the footprint is very small and allows for operations in areas unsuitable for the other two business models.

Submerging the iCage helps the farmer evade numerous surface events, like storms, algae blooms, and ice cover—which occur in most of freshwater Canada—and reduces the risk and potential for escape.

This enables farming within a significant number of our freshwater lakes and reservoirs and eventually in open ocean farming on both coasts and open lake farming in our larger bodies of fresh water, such as the Great Lakes.

Ecosystem interaction of farming operations is an extremely important consideration. We need to ensure that we are using our resources as efficiently as possible and in such a way as to sustain our ability to generate wealth. This is an area where science, knowledge, and experience—much of it, by the way, generated in Canada—is starting to catch up with the growth of the sector and is pointing to ways in which the goals of ecosystem-based management can be pursued.

You're going to hear later on about IMTA, integrated multitrophic aquaculture, and closed containment systems that rely on the collection of solids for eventual dispersal as crop fertilizer for farmers’ fields. It's all about nutrient cycling and staying within ecosystem boundaries.

At a recent meeting of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development, the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency told the Commons committee that it must screen all projects that could touch federally regulated activity, and that more than 90% of small projects have little or no environmental impact.

While we are by no means suggesting that the CEAA process be circumvented, the combination of small-scale farming operations, the ability to move and moor individual iCage units, and other attributes suggest that an iFarm can operate at the low end of the CEAA scale.

We call this “balanced ecosystem aquaculture”, and we are working with government and academic scientists to establish the parameters. They're quite similar to IMTA and the fertilizer strategies that you see in the closed containment systems. Using the natural assimilative capacities of the ecosystem in which one is farming and staying within these ecological boundaries helps the farmer avoid tipping points and enables the long-term ability of an ecosystem to support small-scale farming activities.

The iCage and other tools also allow us to investigate new approaches to mitigate the impact of sea lice on salmon farming operations. A lot of good science suggests that submergence and other tools could help to mitigate infection levels. With some of our development partners, we'll be trying new materials designed to be even more resistant to damage and predator interaction than what we currently use, with the goal of minimizing the risk of fish escaping from the iCage.

We are also developing training processes and curriculums around standard operating procedures for iFarm and balanced ecosystem operations that will lead to certification of farmers and technicians.

Turning to the economic considerations that flow from all this, at the time of the original comparative studies that were performed by DFO and its panel our technology was at a much too early stage to be considered. However, using the same assumptions, we estimate the capital investment required for our technology package will be similar or slightly higher than traditional net-pen capital costs per metric tonne and much lower than CCS.

Our farming systems will drive operational and structural productivity improvements as we proceed along our generational release strategy, so that farmers using this system will be as efficient as or more efficient than other business models being contemplated.

Innovative technology leads to innovative financial tools, which again is a major constraint. The attributes of our systems allow us to work with partners such as Farm Credit Corporation and others in order to develop innovative financial tools such as leasing or rental of the systems. We strive to reduce the barrier to entries with not only rental and leasing programs but also working capital tools as well.

In conclusion, our technology represents a viable and valuable third option for helping to unlock the value within our aquatic resources that we all know is there. As with the smart phone and other technology revolutions that we have all experienced over these past few years, we see the same sort of evolution happening within Canada’s farmed seafood industry—technology opening up new approaches to wealth creation by reducing barriers to make it accessible to a much wider variety of people over a much wider geography.

The ability to create wealth through profitable small-scale farming represents a significant opportunity. It's highly suitable to rural and first nations communities, and allows them to participate in the highly strategic, very fast-growing global farmed seafood sector in a way that is sustainable and respectful of our natural aquatic resources. With this participation comes increased knowledge jobs, more innovation, and export sales of farmed seafood, all leading to more stable and vibrant rural communities as well as increased export sales of aquaculture services and technology.

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you, Mr. Storey.

Mr. Walsh.

3:45 p.m.

Fraser Walsh Chair, Board of Directors, Huntsman Marine Science Centre

First of all, on behalf of the Huntsman Marine Science Centre, I'd like to thank the committee for inviting us to present.

I'll give you a brief overview of the Huntsman Centre and I'll ask our executive director, Bill Robertson, to bring you up to speed on the projects we have in front of us and our opportunities to assist or help out on the enclosed containment of Atlantic salmon.

The Huntsman Centre is a federally incorporated, private, not-for-profit, research and science-based teaching institution located in St. Andrews, New Brunswick. It was established in 1969 by a consortium of universities, government departments, and private sector interests, including the Atlantic Salmon Federation, the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans, New Brunswick Agriculture, Aquaculture and Fisheries, New Brunswick Department of Education, McGill University, Mount Allison University, the University of Guelph, the University of Moncton, the University of New Brunswick, the University of Toronto, and the University of Western Ontario.

Our mission is the advancement of marine sciences through collaborative research and the development of innovation, techniques, and solutions for our public and private partners. The education programs of the Huntsman Centre have trained highly qualified personnel in the marine sciences and the ocean industry sector of the Canadian economy. The school programs have engaged more than 35,000 students, and they range from elementary schools to university to post-graduate-level studies.

The Huntsman Centre has been an active steward of ocean resources by finding ways to educate Canadians about the oceans. The Huntsman Centre has welcomed more than 700,000 members of the general public to our aquarium facilities, informing visitors about Canada's east coast marine ecology and marine-based economy.

What I'd like to do now is ask Bill Robertson, our executive director, to indicate some of the projects we've had and where we are today and where we're going.

Bill.

3:45 p.m.

Bill Robertson Executive Director, Huntsman Marine Science Centre

Thank you.

Members of the standing committee, thank you again for the invitation. My name is Bill Robertson. I am the current executive director of the Huntsman Marine Science Centre.

You've just heard a little bit about our history. Specifically related to this topic, I'd like to leave you with a couple of thoughts. The net-pen aquaculture system that you're reviewing is fairly complex, partly related to the geographic distribution of the systems. It occurs in fresh water, brackish water, and in various ecological systems in salt water. It comes in a variety of shapes, sizes, and numbers, as Mr. Storey has just discussed.

We're raising a number of species. We're raising a number of strains within certain species, and we're applying a variety of management techniques to this net-pen system.

In some instances, there are issues related to environmental impacts. In this case, it may be appropriate to look at alternative methods, such as biological filtration, as will be discussed by Dr. Chopin when he addresses the IMTA system. Or it may prove useful to look at some of the new technological platforms, like the open ocean system.

It may be appropriate to recommend land-based tank culture under certain circumstances. The problem with these discussions is that this is not really a debate or review about biology. It's not really a debate or an overview about environmental science. It's a discussion about economics. It makes sense only if it makes good economic sense.

Here is something to consider: the Huntsman Centre is a unique organization, and it's in a unique location. We're in southwestern New Brunswick. If you look at a map of Canada, we're about as southwest as you can get.

In my office, when I look out the window, I look across the St. Croix River into the state of Maine, and we're right on the shores of Passamaquoddy Bay, which is one of the inner bays of the Bay of Fundy.

In addition to all the research and the training we do, we have this public aquarium focused on the Bay of Fundy. We display not only the traditional aquarium-type features of the ecology and creatures of the Bay of Fundy; we also talk about what drives the economy of the Bay of Fundy.

If you were to visit us, you would see that there is a display from Connors Brothers about the importance of the herring fishery. You would see a display on Cooke Aquaculture and the importance of salmon aquaculture in the Bay of Fundy. You would see a display on Paturel and the importance of the lobster fishery.

The point is that we attempt to demonstrate how important the economics of the fishery is to the Bay of Fundy.

Our approach to this debate would be to suggest that we create, using the Huntsman Centre facilities and expertise, a commercial-scale, land-based tank system. However, what we would propose might be different from other suggestions you've had. Our view is that this should be a full-scale demonstration project, indexed in real time against the commercial salmon farms that occur within a ten-kilometre radius from our campus.

In other words, we would use the same fish, the same number of fish, and the same types of nutrition strategies. We'd use the same technical staff to collect the data as a real-time demonstration project. In addition, we would suggest that it would work only if this were fully transparent and open to the general public, so you don't have to go hunting for the information.

In other words, this is not a one-off project, but a permanent platform for continuous improvement.

As we were discussing this idea and preparing to come before the standing committee about creating a demonstration farm, we asked a number of people what they thought of this concept. Some folks felt that our presence only legitimized the claim that there was a problem. In their view, there is no problem with open net-pen systems. Others felt that the Huntsman Centre coming here and making this kind of proposal represents the missing piece of what they've been looking for, and that we should consider having an advisory board for this demonstration farm. It would be made up of people who represent the three pillars of sustainable development: people who are socially active, people who are environmentally active, and people who have a broad-based knowledge of the economics of the fisheries and aquaculture sector.

Perhaps the most interesting debate was at our board of directors meeting, chaired by Mr. Walsh. The debate included the current president of the University of New Brunswick, who said that our region has a number of nodes of activity in aquaculture and we have a number of subject matter experts, but we don't have a platform that coalesces this all together in such a way that the nation can benefit from this, and by extension the aquaculture sector per se.

Right next door to the Huntsman Marine Science Centre is the Department of Fisheries and Oceans St. Andrews Biological Station, run by the science branch. Within that station are a number of individuals who are world experts in their own right, whether it's in the field of oceanography, biodiversity, or physiology. Up the street we have the New Brunswick Community College, which has had for 30 years perhaps the most comprehensive technical training program for aquaculture technicians in the country. Down the street we have the Atlantic Salmon Federation, which is the one NGO whose primary focus is the conservation of wild Atlantic salmon.

In the town next to ours, the town of St. George, we have a satellite office for the Atlantic Veterinary College. The Atlantic Veterinary College is actually based in Prince Edward Island, but it's the only vet college in Canada with an aquaculture component. The reason they have a satellite office in St. George is that it is the closest they can get to the commercial aquaculture sector. Of course we're right on the fringe of the salmon aquaculture industry.

When we take all this together, and if we could put this into a demonstration platform, indexed in real time against the commercial salmon farming ventures, we could create and find real solutions.

Therefore—and there is always a therefore—when you're sifting through all the technical information that's been presented at your committee, when you're reflecting on the expertise of the testimony that's been given, and when you're debating this file to some kind of logical conclusion, we'd like to ask you to consider the Huntsman Centre's approach.

Thank you very much.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you very much.

We'll move right into the question portion.

Go ahead, Ms. Davidson.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

Thanks very much to each of our presenters.

Certainly this presentation today has brought us a different perspective, as you have all stated. Certainly it's something I think we need to be examining further and we need to try to understand a little bit better.

Some of the things we've heard from other people when we've talked about the closed containment systems and the open net systems are the issues of waste and contaminants, and in particular the issue of waste building underneath the open net pens. Can you tell me, Mr. Storey, how your system would address some of those issues, or if it would?

3:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

This is related to issues around flow through the site, as well as sensor technology. The size of the waste stream is directly related to food conversion ratios, so the more you can do to reduce food conversion ratios, the lesser amount of waste you will have.

One of the things we found in some initial trials with St. Andrews Biological Station is that better flow through the cages tends to lead to a much lower residence time, so you are pushing these nutrients over a much wider area.

There is also a lot of good science from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Freshwater Institute, as well as the St. Andrews Biological Station, relative to the actual assimilative capacity of the natural environment.

So the key is to try to site these units so that the flow is maximized, and then you're using other pieces of technology to reduce food conversion to its potential, and thereby reducing the overall amount of waste.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Some of the other testimony that we've heard from a lot of different areas is the importance of the agricultural industry to rural Canada, and the concerns that closed containment may move it away from rural and coastal areas that are relying so much upon this, and that it may change the very fabric of what our coastal regions look like, and the economics of that area.

Also, concerning the number of jobs that it provides in relation to what the wild fisheries provide, it's felt by a lot of people that the wild fisheries provide a lot more jobs than closed containment does.

What would your iCage system offer rural Canadians?

3:55 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

We're now working on a program on the east coast to turn lobster fishermen into fish farmers. We see a lot of very interesting potential there. We've also had initial discussions with first nations groups on Vancouver Island for potential projects there. And as I said, we see wonderful opportunities throughout Ontario and the rest of freshwater Canada to be able to site the small-scale farms and operate them according to the science that's coming out of the Freshwater Institute and keep the overall ecological activity that results from the fish farm. When you put a cage of fish in the water, it automatically becomes part of the ecosystem, so you've got to make sure that the ecosystem within the cage is operating within the overall ecological boundaries.

But back to our lobster fishermen, we see them with their lobster boats, and there's a lot of pressure on them these days, but we see tremendous opportunities to use that infrastructure to grow fish.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

My riding is on Lake Huron, so I find that rather interesting. We have salmon fishing in Lake Huron now for sport fishing. Tell me how this would work in conjunction with the sport fishing that's there now and the people who are raising the fish and releasing them.

4 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

One of the interesting things about our technology is we're in discussion with somebody right now about that. I'm not revealing any names, but various community fisheries groups can now take advantage of this technology to raise fish potentially for restocking purposes as well as potentially for actual fish farming in further iCages. So there are lots of very interesting opportunities there.

The ability to submerge the systems has tremendous impact on ice cover and ice flow and ice movement. There is economic risk as well as risk of damage to cages and loss of fish and such.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

One of the other things we heard from several presenters was the economics of it, the cost of the whole thing: the energy costs of closed containment, the land costs, all the issues involved with setting up the systems.

In your presentation you talked a bit about capital costs and related them to the traditional net pen. How do they compare with closed containment?

4 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

If I remember correctly, the open net-pen systems were about $2,500 per tonne, and the closed containment systems were somewhere between $9,000 and $10,000. Can anybody correct me on that? I think it was three to four times more expensive from open net-pen to closed containment, if I remember correctly. Following that model and assumptions, we estimate that the investment would be somewhere in the order of $3,000 per tonne versus the $2,500 cost of the open net-pen system.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Do I still have time?

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

No, you don't. Thank you very much.

Mr. Donnelly.

4 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to our guests for their presentation.

I'm wondering if you could explain a bit further the difference between your system and a traditional open net-pen operation. I think an image would help. I know you referenced an image, Mr. Storey. I don't think we got that image.

4 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

I'm sorry. I've got a presentation, but it's unilingual, so I can't show it. So that's my fault.

But it looks like a beer keg with an axle running through it, and it's got the mooring system that allows it to go up and down and rotate. And that's what it looks like from the water. This is Saskatchewan. I can circulate this if you're interested.

One of the things it does is use what we call a fixed volume, which allows for better.... Oh, here comes some information.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

We can have it translated and distributed later to all members.

I'll pass it over to Mr. Donnelly so he can see the illustration at this time.

4 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

Anyway, we see that there are issues related to flow, how you moor them, site them, and submerge them and such.

4 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Are they fully submerged?

4 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

Yes. You can operate them on the surface as well, just like a regular cage.

4 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Okay. I see that does help. It seems similar, but I guess there's a twist on the scale of the operation compared to a traditional open-net form that is floated from the surface.

I don't know if this is what the demonstration project will prove, but how do these handle in storms, for instance?

4 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Open Ocean Systems Inc.

Andrew Storey

In there you'll see pictures of ice hitting them, and icing up in storms, but they're really not designed to ride out a storm. The technology is such that when a storm comes along you submerge the cage, because that sort of surface air-water interface is an extremely violent place. The systems don't like it, and the fish don't like it. So the intent is that when the storms come along, you submerge the system.

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Fin Donnelly NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Some have identified that there are problems with traditional fish farming, and some, as you mentioned, say there aren't problems. Is it fair to say that you recognize that there are problems associated with fish farms?