Yes, the primary question for us, I think, is, did, in 2014, the minister follow the policy? I think that's the question for us and that's what we're trying to get to.
Mr. McCurdy, a number of times you have given me the impression that this policy changed, the definition changed, the wording changed, and so on; I think in a letter you wrote to the paper you used the word “surreptitiously”. But isn't it true there's a Northern Shrimp Advisory committee? For 1997, 2003, and 2007, for all of the perhaps wording changes of this policy, whether you agree with the changes or not, isn't it true that there is this committee that considers these things and DFO is not sort of surreptitiously putting wording in a policy with nobody being part of that process? Isn't that true?