In my opinion, Mr. Cormier, the real problem is not necessarily the companies that are seeking MSC certification, but rather the ones that are not seeking it.
I think it's a shame that companies like Ms. Boivin's, for example, follow the rules and comply with good practice, while others do not. Unfortunately, it takes police and surveillance to ensure that we get rid of companies that are doing great damage to the reputation of the industry.
I was talking about food fraud earlier and I want to emphasize that very much this morning.