I have just a follow-up to that.
Obviously, we've come to know that it is the responsibility of the federal Minister of Fisheries and Oceans to understand how much fish is being caught in order to uphold the principles of conservation and protect the future livelihoods of fish harvesters across the country from coast to coast. The fact that we've already heard testimony that there really is no firm establishment of those kinds of numbers and the effects they're having makes it seem like there is a definite falling short of meeting the federal responsibility at this point in getting a handle on the IUU fishery.
Has that been your experience as well? Are you finding that, when you're hearing from other ministers who were in this role at the Atlantic table and the five that you chaired? Does there need to be much more involvement at the federal level to get a handle on this?