The answer from the coalition's perspective is, yes, those results can be achieved. There are tools available to us, tools that industry has created. I've made mention of them in my comments—the presentation talks about them—and you've had other witnesses before you who have mentioned them too. You'll have another witness this afternoon from the truckers, who have designed national HACCP-based food safety programs that can be implemented by the largest of trucking firms or the smallest of trucking firms.
We have yet to achieve federal-provincial agreement that those programs will be formally recognized by governments. Even though industry and governments have made significant investments—tens of millions of dollars of investments—over the past decade and a half into their creation, we do not yet have fully agreed recognition mechanisms to bring those within our food safety system. We need to do that.
So there are tools available that we have invested in cooperatively with government that can achieve the kinds of results you're talking about. Simpler, less complex businesses require simpler and less complex food safety management systems. Things can be achieved, but we have to have that broader realization and awakening to that approach and recognition of it, and we need to be able to set clear food safety objectives different from prescriptive practices in order to be able to make that a reality.