As I said to the committee last week, and you were there, Mr. Easter, programs aren't free. We were talking about security programs last week. To put in place a HACCP program is not free either.
I'm not sure what Erb Transport paid to do their program and what they pay on an ongoing basis to be audited, but, yes, carriers are in a very competitive business. When they put in place programs like this, it's sometimes difficult just to absorb those costs. So they do get passed down to their shipping clients.