Evidence of meeting #14 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was haiti.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Louis Roy  President, Rights and Democracy
Nicholas Galletti  Latin America Regional Officer, Rights and Democracy
Stephen Wallace  Vice President, Policy Branch, Canadian International Development Agency
Yves Pétillon  Program Director, Haiti, Cuba and Dominican Republic Americas Branch, Canadian International Development Agency
Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Angela Crandall

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Mr. Martin.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

May I suggest that we add a friendly amendment to ask the feasibility of using.... Ken, that accomplishes exactly what you want. I put that forward, and let's vote on the amendment.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

The problem with this is that the member on the other side already said he does not agree with the law interpretation anyway. That is why we are having a problem. You just said you do not agree with this international law that heads of states cannot be brought in front of the--

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

No.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

What he'd been told from the department is--

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

What we are saying to you is that we need time here.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

The way to reconcile this is to look at the...[Inaudible--Editor]...because that addresses exactly your concerns.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

It's like Kevin said, you are forcing us into a corner here by putting things out there.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Out of all of them, I like Bernard Patry's the best.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Thank you, Chair.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

But I would like him to read it again. Could you please get the writing in English—the interpreter does a great job—and could you include that feasibility part?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

I want to vote on the motion that I put forward with Madame Guarnieri's amendment.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Okay, so it's not a friendly amendment that Mr. Patry has with the mover. I'm going to ask the clerk to read the motion, as amended by Mr. Martin and by Madame Guarnieri.

This is the motion, as amended. We will vote on the amendment first, and then we will vote on the motion.

7:05 p.m.

The Clerk

It reads as follows:

That the Committee recommends that the government work with the victims in Canada to ascertain the feasibility of using existing domestic crimes against humanity legislation to indict Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe for crimes against humanity as well as press for a resolution at the Security Council to invoke a Chapter 7 article 41 resolution against President Mugabe and that the Minister of Justice report back to the committee by November 15 on his efforts.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

All in favour of the amendment?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

Recorded vote, please.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Not on the amendment.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

This has the word "indictment" in it, correct?

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

It doesn't say "indictment"; it says "resolution", but there's no "indictment".

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Then you read something different. Read it again, please.

7:05 p.m.

The Clerk

That the committee recommends that the government work with victims in Canada to ascertain the feasibility of using existing domestic crimes against humanity legislation to indict Zimbabwe's President Robert

7:05 p.m.

An hon. member

It is there.

7:05 p.m.

The Clerk

Yes.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

I think you still have a technical problem. I'd like some more time to work on it, so we could come up with a uniform solution.

7:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Are we all in favour of the amendment?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])