Evidence of meeting #31 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was afghanistan.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

A. John Watson  President and Chief Executive Officer, CARE Canada, As an Individual
Najiba Ayoobi  Manager, Radio Killid, As an Individual
Riazi  As an Individual

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

But when we sit down to go through clause-by-clause, I may be sitting here and we may be debating, and I may say, “Gee, you know, I think we should change this.” I should not be constrained by that.

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

You're part of the process of clause-by-clause. You have the right to do that.

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

As long as that's clear and on the record.

And there's another question. Mr. McKay, I know, intended to bring some amendments. Have we seen those yet?

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

I circulated them but I have not officially submitted them. They haven't been formally tabled.

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

That satisfies me. If we've seen them, then I'm happy. I don't think we need to write that into the motion.

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Do you still want in here, Madam McDonough?

5:55 p.m.

NDP

Alexa McDonough NDP Halifax, NS

I don't want to leave any confusion that I'm not absolutely committed to our moving ahead with this as quickly as possible. The government has had this bill for two years, for heaven's sake. It's not as if they have to decide now what they want to say about it.

5:55 p.m.

An hon. member

The government has only been in for eight months.

5:55 p.m.

NDP

Alexa McDonough NDP Halifax, NS

However, having said that, I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be a more honest and realistic thing for us to say that the committee should deal with clause-by-clause Wednesday the 29th, but not lock ourselves into “complete”, because we may in fact be in a full discussion around a couple of aspects. Maybe it should say clearly that the committee proceed with clause-by-clause on Wednesday the 29th. It seems to me to short-circuit a process that, in good faith, hopefully we're all buying into. I think that's a bit of a mistake.

Secondly, we don't have it in writing, so could I just clarify the amendment that's coming from Peter? If I understand it, it's that the government should submit amendments...did you say “prior to Monday the 27th” or did you say “no later than Monday the 27th”?

6 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

That was him, not me.

6 p.m.

NDP

Alexa McDonough NDP Halifax, NS

I'm sorry.

6 p.m.

Liberal

Keith Martin Liberal Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, BC

It's by Monday the 27th.

6 p.m.

NDP

Alexa McDonough NDP Halifax, NS

So we would have them on Monday.

6 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Yes, it doesn't have to be the Sunday or the Friday.

Mr. Wilfert is going to shed some light on the—

6 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

I just want to say that I understand the rationale for clause-by-clause on Wednesday the 29th. We may not have a fixed date, but the chairman has indicated—and I stress this—in good faith more than once to me privately and now publicly that before December 15.... That doesn't mean we're going to wait for two weeks to get it out of here.

I'm presuming, Mr. Chairman, that we have your commitment that we will get this bill out of here, that we will not try to filibuster, and the next thing you know, we're talking about February.

6 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

No, we've already talked about the filibustering. I'm not going to shut down any debate on amendments from either side.

6 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

But we'll work to get it out of here before the session ends.

6 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

But I can tell you that there is no—

6 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

You won't, but everybody else will.

6 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Our intentions are very clear: that we have this thing so that it's delivered on time, and that will be in December.

6 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

Was there an agreement to amend it in accordance with the suggestion of Madam McDonough? I just want to be clear on that. From the mover of the motion, was there agreement to amend it in accordance with the suggestion?

6 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

We'll amend it on the 29th.

6 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

My only concern is having the amendments by Monday night. I'm not sure that's doable.

6 p.m.

An hon. member

It is, Ted. Trust me, it is.

6 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

We will do our best.