Evidence of meeting #1 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Angela Crandall

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

It's one or the other. That would give you two and you're allowed one.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Lunney Conservative Nanaimo—Alberni, BC

I think that's worth clarifying. Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Yes.

Mr. Lunney moved this. All in favour?

(Motion agreed to)

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Next is that one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the committee clerk's office for consultation by members of the committee.

It's moved by Mr. Patry.

(Motion agreed to)

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Next is that the committee be authorized to purchase gifts to be presented to foreign hosts and visiting delegations.

It's moved by Mr. Patry.

(Motion agreed to)

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

The next motion reads that 48 hours' notice be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration; and that the notice of motion be filed with the clerk of the committee and distributed to members in both official languages.

It's moved by Mr. Pearson.

Mr. Crête.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

When we say official languages, are we talking about the documents provided by the clerk or just motions? I would like a motion, whether it is this one or a specific one, saying that documents should be distributed in both official languages unless the members of the committee decide otherwise. It is important because we do not have a motion about...

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

It's a standard motion--that we cannot accept it unless there's unanimous consent.

Clerk, correct me if I'm wrong. It's not in every routine motion, but it's just common practice that these presentations are not given unless the printed material is in both official languages.

4:25 p.m.

The Clerk

It's not distributed to committee members if it's not available in both official languages.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

We can accept it through the clerk; we can't distribute it. And then she will get it translated and then it will be distributed.

4:25 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

I sit on other committees and, as I understand it, we can have a motion saying that only documents in both official languages are distributed to committee members.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

You're correct. It cannot be distributed, but the clerk can receive it, send it to translation, and at a later date we would be given that testimony.

All right. Mr. Obhrai and then Mr. Goldring.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

I will withdraw and Mr. Goldring will go.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Goldring Conservative Edmonton East, AB

I have difficulty with the statement that says “unless a substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration”. How do you define this? It could be defined very confusingly. You might have some housekeeping business, for example. Does that mean that any motion can be broadly defined and can be brought in and well under the 48 hours' notice? In other words, is it necessary to have that?

I would make a suggestion to delete that section, “unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration”. There are other ways and means to bring a motion forward, under unanimous consent, for example. I think that statement in there can be confusing and can be opened up to being too broadly interpreted and could be disruptive.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Mr. Obhrai.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

I think it's important to have this 48 hours' notice, so that everybody at the department has enough time to prepare for a response. So the intent and the idea is to have a 48 hours' notice motion so that everybody is able to prepare, including the department, the government, and the opposition themselves and the research and everybody. So I think we should stick strictly to the 48 hours' notice, as Mr. Goldring has suggested.

Thank you.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Are you proposing an amendment here?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Goldring Conservative Edmonton East, AB

A deletion.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

And how would yours read then?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

James Lunney Conservative Nanaimo—Alberni, BC

The part after “committee”, where it says “unless the substantive motion relates directly to the business then under consideration”--put brackets around that and that would be the deletion.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

So it goes to a cleaner motion, that it's just 48 hours' notice, without the qualifier.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Goldring Conservative Edmonton East, AB

Can I read a version here that I have, or a suggested version?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Go ahead. You are on the speakers list.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Goldring Conservative Edmonton East, AB

It would be that 48 hours' notice shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee, and that the motion shall be filed and distributed to members by the clerk in both official languages.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Which is, in essence, what this is.

Mr. Patry.