Evidence of meeting #34 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was marriage.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mabel van Oranje  Chair, Girls Not Brides: The Global Partnership to End Child Marriage
Amina Hanga  Member, Isa Wali Empowerment Initiative, Girls Not Brides: The Global Partnership to End Child Marriage
Ashok Dyalchand  Member, Institute for Health Management, Pachod, Girls Not Brides: The Global Partnership to End Child Marriage
Rosemary McCarney  President and Chief Executive Officer, Plan International Canada Inc.
Jacquelyn Wright  Vice-President, International Programs, CARE Canada
Cicely McWilliam  Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign, Save the Children Canada

10:15 a.m.

Cicely McWilliam Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign, Save the Children Canada

Honourable committee chair, members of Parliament, the clerk of the committee, and esteemed colleagues, Save the Children is honoured to appear today before the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs to talk to you about Canada's role particularly as it relates to the prevention of human trafficking and early and forced marriage.

I wish to extend the regrets of Patricia Erb, the CEO of Save the Children, who was unable to attend today because she is travelling.

As you know, Save the Children is the world's leading independent organization for children working in 120 countries. We were established almost 100 years ago; our anniversary will be very soon. We build our expertise through our work around the world in partnership with local organizations and governments. Child protection is an area of particular focus for us and is one of the reasons that Save the Children led in the formation of the International Child Protection Network of Canada, mentioned earlier by Rosemary McCarney. This is a coalition of Canadian NGOs that was formed in 2013 to share knowledge and experience on child protection programming and to engage the government and the public in this critical development issue.

Save the Children believes that child protection is vital to ensuring that the equal rights of girls and boys can be fulfilled. The simple fact is that if children are exploited, abused, or neglected, it is unlikely that they will lead healthy, educated, and empowered lives. Child protection is therefore a minimum requirement to meet our political and ethical responsibilities to girls and boys,

But protection should not be at an end in itself. Our ultimate goal should be to enable children to become healthy, educated, empowered citizens, engaged political, social, and economic actors, and young leaders. To achieve this goal, we understand that protection should integrate the three following critical approaches: investing in the participation of children, understanding how the potential of each child can be leveraged and maximized; investing in the prevention of violence, including early forced marriage and child trafficking; and focusing on the root causes that lead to the exploitation, abuse, and neglect of children, integrating our response into a systems approach to child protection.

Obviously, underpinning those approaches there needs to be gender equality. This is a priority area for Save the Children Canada. We believe that the two thematic areas, child protection and gender equality, are inextricably linked. We recognize that girls and boys face different child protection risks and challenges, but if we are to make real change for girls and women, boys and men have to be part of the solution. We need not only to address the inequality faced by girls and women, but also the limitations that this discrimination imposes on boys and men. Only in promoting and enabling gender equality can we ensure that no harm comes to children, end discrimination, and advance our vision of a world in which every child attains an equal right to survival, protection, and development.

Why is child participation so important? Ultimately children themselves, while they experience vulnerability, have tremendous potential. They are also able to articulate what the greatest risks are that they face. A proper weighting in child protection of building systems and responses means listening to the voices of girls and boys and facilitating a space in which they can seek information and build their own understanding, as well as shape their own destiny and our responses as development actors.

An example of how important this is is found in child trafficking. While of course children are trafficked and we need improved laws, enforcement, and child protection systems to address this criminal activity, often there are pull mechanisms that come into play, whereby children make the choice to leave their own homes and communities and then are exploited in their effort to seek out safer environments or economic opportunity. This was a primary example of the work we have done in child trafficking in West Africa, where for years the migration of girls and boys was simply understood through the trafficking lens. What became apparent once we listened to what girls and boys were saying is that they were leaving for a variety of reasons—poverty, abuse within their own families, sometimes just for the adventure of the trip or for the experience, because it was deeply rooted in their cultures—and the trafficking and exploitation came after the initial choice was made by them to leave their homes and families. If we're going to respond to their needs and actually try to mitigate the dangers that they experience, you have to understand that the initial choice to leave was their own.

Engaging children in meaningful participation allows us to more accurately understand the root causes and to address the potential violence. We believe it is vital for the Government of Canada to ensure that meaningful participation of girls and boys is integrated into its work on child protection, and that programs are planned and executed in partnership with civil society organizations that are best placed to encourage this participation. Child protection programs should include sufficient time and funds to ensure that this participation is equitable and meaningful. Other colleagues have talked about the importance of a strong prevention framework. This is obviously important as it relates to understanding the root causes.

In terms of child, early and forced marriage, recently Save the Children was working through a DFATD supported program with the Nagaad community organization in Somalia. What came to be obvious was that the knowledge from this partnership enabled us to identify that one of the key drivers of early marriage in the area where we were working was social isolation. Parents, as others have said, were afraid that their daughters would lose their virginity before marriage, or that they would be socially ostracized if they were to stay unmarried, so they kept them at home and away from school. As a result, girls were not properly informed of the risks and were seeking their own escape from their domestic burdens, and often again would choose or would seek out marriage themselves. Again, that's another example where by working with communities, community organizations, and with girls themselves we were able to identify the kinds of programming that would educate and support girls in making different choices for themselves and support families in making different choices.

We call on the Canadian government to ensure that its leadership on child protection takes a holistic approach that addresses in a sustainable way the root causes and engages entire communities in working to end the violence that children often experience. That involves definitely a protection system that engages legislation and policy mechanisms that serve the service and social welfare systems at the national and local levels, that addresses the cultural framework and practices, and as I said previously, ensures the participation of children.

One of the things that Save the Children has been keenly engaged with is the conversation around sustainable economic growth. Poverty is an underlying driver in many instances when it comes to both trafficking and early and forced marriage. The children's rights and business principles launched in 2012 were developed by Save the Children, UNICEF, and the UN Global Compact in response to a call from the UN for companies to better address the rights of children. They're a guide intended to encourage business to respect and support the rights of children. Through its engagement with the private sector, the Government of Canada should work to see that all its partners adhere to the children's rights and business principles.

Addressing the vulnerabilities and potential that children face, whether it's at work and the exploitation at work and sexual exploitation at work.... We call on the government to continue its efforts to support girls and boys who are working. Many of the children we're talking about who face trafficking or early and forced marriage are also children who are facing the potential of working, or are working. Providing equal access to quality education, market-oriented training, and decent working opportunities for children can help break the cycle of poverty for families and communities as well as break the cycle of early and forced marriage and trafficking.

To conclude, we would like to call on the Canadian government to ensure that girls and boys can participate equitably and meaningfully in decisions that affect their lives, prioritize, identify, and address root causes of violence, as well as mandate the work we do collectively—governments, civil society, and children—through a systems approach to respond to violence, to incorporate a response, and to encourage the private sector to engage meaningfully in that collective work as well.

I'd like to thank you for allowing us to speak today.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Ms. McWilliam.

I've been led to believe there are going to be votes, which is not a problem. We can finish up here. I want to suggest that we have one round, six minutes each from each party, and that will take us pretty much to quarter to the hour, even though bells will start sometime before then. Then we can make sure everyone gets a chance to ask some questions.

I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Dewar, for six minutes, please.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you to our witnesses. I want to start off with Ms. Wright.

You said something that caught my attention, and that is the funding itself and the fact that you were having to wait for government, for the department, to process your application.

First of all, is this something that the other witnesses have been affected by? Ms. Wright, in terms of dollars and cents, how much of a delay did that have on your program? We're interested in high impact here, and of course you're interested in getting as many dollars as you can, and they are scarce sometimes. What impact did that have on your program? You touched on it. I'd just like to hear from the other witnesses if they have had the same experience.

10:25 a.m.

Vice-President, International Programs, CARE Canada

Jacquelyn Wright

Yes. To be fair, I think that this was really innovative funding, and it was a little bit of a learning experiment as well, so I don't want to be totally negative about it at all.

The impact was that we had to choose programming that built on other programming so that we weren't starting fresh. In fact we were quite surprised that we were able to do something in a four-month period, which sounds very short, and it is, but we were able to manage to do that.

The next iteration of this is coming along very shortly, and there is longer-term funding available, and we have been apprised of that opportunity. I'm not sure exactly what the length is going to be, but it will be much longer than the first round.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Are you applying through START? That's been...the recasting. I know they were going to redo it, and now we're hearing it's just going to stay as it was. Is that your understanding?

10:25 a.m.

Vice-President, International Programs, CARE Canada

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

It's through START, what we knew before.

10:25 a.m.

Vice-President, International Programs, CARE Canada

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I'd like to ask the other witnesses if they have had any similar experience in terms of program funding delays and getting confirmation of funding.

10:25 a.m.

Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign, Save the Children Canada

Cicely McWilliam

In fact we had I think it was the same tranche of funding that my colleague from CARE is referencing. We had that short timeframe to respond. As she said, I think it was an innovative piece. We knew the parameters were tight going in. We're pleased to be able to have a really good response by building on programming that already existed.

In general, I think most of my colleagues would agree that the key ultimately is that we need to have processes that are fast on our end and that ultimately have longer horizons for successful implementation. I think that would be just a general statement in order to be able to do the work we want to do effectively.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

If I may, just before you answer, Ms. McCarney, I have two questions for you, and then you can build it in because our time is short.

There's that question for your organization, but I have two other questions based on your presentation. One is the issue—and I'm glad you mentioned it; it is something that I think we need to underline not to forget, and I think you all agree on this—of those girls who already have been married and the access particularly to health services.

One of the points of disagreement with the government that we have is that there needs to be a full complement of reproductive health choices for women. Please talk about that, about the whole suite of reproductive services for women that they would receive here in Canada, but seemingly we are not making them available where it is available in other countries.

Also, there's the global education fund. We were hoping to hear an announcement in June. We were hoping to hear an announcement recently. Can you talk about the importance of funding that particular organization? High impact is about education, as we've discussed here, so please touch on that.

If there's any remaining time, we'll hear from the other two witnesses.

10:30 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Plan International Canada Inc.

Rosemary McCarney

I can speak quickly.

In terms of the funding, it's often contextual and I think Jackie and Cicely have both mentioned that. It's often very contextualized, whether it's a rapid response or new innovation. I think what's more important is the other end. You can be slow getting started as long as there's enough time to actually get it well grounded and be able to monitor and evaluate, so you know what to do next. So it's contextualized.

In terms of those already married, what's really important for that group of women is how we can re-empower them within the state of marriage, in a marriage they didn't select. How do we actually involve the husbands, the parents, the in-laws, the teachers, the community leaders, in enabling them to get back to school, regardless of marriage? What you're trying to do, obviously, is to postpone the onset of early pregnancy. It's bad enough we couldn't stop the marriage, but at least let's stop the onset of a child pregnancy, a child birthing a child. Getting them back into school is probably our best way to do that, because we know that will stretch out that process. Fundamentally, it's important that they have access to the things they should have, such as health care.

With respect to the range of reproductive and health care, under Canada's maternal, newborn and child health initiative, access to contraception has been a strong part of the Muskoka initiative since 2010 and continues to be, and that's important.

In terms of access to abortion, I think the Canadian Network for Maternal, Newborn and Child Health has said that is an area that other donors will take up and have taken up. In most countries, what we would ask for is that it be rare, legal, and safe. In most countries in which we all work, it is none of those. It's not available and it's not legal. We can't work against the laws of a particular country, so it's limited, regardless of policy. Other donors are trying to change laws, etc., sometimes effectively, sometimes not quite so effectively.

In terms of those girls who have been forced into a marriage without their choice and before an appropriate age, our job is to protect them. We know that if there is a silver bullet in all of this, it is getting girls back into school and keeping them in school through a very vulnerable stage of their life, and puberty is the most vulnerable. As the mother of three children, I know and we all know how anxious we get as parents when our children hit puberty. It's a very important piece.

The other piece that my colleagues have mentioned is to get the boys involved, and get them to be the advocates for the girls as well. Due to the narrow definition of masculinity, they are often being forced into situations not of their choosing. This is fundamentally important. Gender equality, or inequality, isn't working for them either.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much.

Mr. Hawn, for six minutes.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair, I'll do with three or four and pass it on to Mr. Schellenberger.

First, I want Plan Canada to know I've asked for goats for Christmas.

Ms. McWilliam, you started talking about engaging the private sector. Could you be specific on some ideas of how you would make that happen?

10:35 a.m.

Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign, Save the Children Canada

Cicely McWilliam

Certainly.

In the case of child trafficking in particular, you can look to the mining sector or to other major infrastructure development activities in the developing world and see that there is a great risk oftentimes at those sites, where children are being trafficked and sexually exploited. That would be an example of where proactive engagement on the part of a company, in terms of dealing with and training their personnel, as well as the security companies they work with or the security folks who directly work for them, would be an important piece of work to be done. Also, it's not only a matter of those kinds of site-specific problems.

Poverty is a huge driver in terms of early marriage and child trafficking, as well as child labour. The issue also around ensuring that you provide decent employment for parents and caregivers of children will have a tremendous mitigating effect and will provide the space for children to potentially go to school or get vocational training, and not necessarily put them into situations where families feel forced for economic reasons to place their children in arranged or forced marriages, or who feel that their children must leave the home in order to ensure that the family is economically stable.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Thank you.

Ms. Wright, I think I'll go to you with this one.

In about a minute and a half, can you tell me if we should be attaching strings in our international development assistance? Should strings be attached to attainment of goals? Are strings counterproductive? As you know, we want the money to get down to the grassroots level, and there's corruption in a lot of those places. Should we attach strings, or are strings counterproductive?

10:35 a.m.

Vice-President, International Programs, CARE Canada

Jacquelyn Wright

That's a loaded question.

I think it's important to understand that agencies like ours are independent. We don't take sides. We're neutral, so political strings attached would not work for us. It doesn't allow us the access that we require to the vulnerable populations. As for whether that can work in a parallel system, I don't think I'm qualified to answer that question.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Okay. That's fair enough.

10:35 a.m.

Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign, Save the Children Canada

Cicely McWilliam

Would you mind if I took a quick stab at that?

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Go ahead.

10:35 a.m.

Coordinator, EVERY ONE Campaign, Save the Children Canada

Cicely McWilliam

Ultimately, in order to succeed, effective aid recognizes that country ownership is very important. While there are certainly cases of corruption, that's why it is so important to work with.... Save the Children works with governments as well as communities, and we seek to bridge the gap.

We also build the resilience of communities in regard to their being able to place demands on their government. For example, in the health sector and area, we do a lot of budget tracking, which helps communities identify how the money is flowing from the national level down to the community level, to ensure that those funds are being spent appropriately.

On child protection, there are so few countries where we're working that have actual proper systems that get down to the community level, so that kind of budget tracking would not be particularly effective since there are no systems there from which to track.

That would be your answer in relation to this area.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Laurie Hawn Conservative Edmonton Centre, AB

Thank you for that.

I've saved Mr. Schellenberger a minute.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you.

Mr. Schellenberger.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

Gary Schellenberger Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Thank you.

If our daughters or granddaughters were raped or abused, we would take them in our arms, we would coddle them, and we'd give them love and support. You have said that in most countries these girls would be banned from the family. Is this a religious trait or tradition?

10:40 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Plan International Canada Inc.

Rosemary McCarney

Well, it's neither. It's not a religious trait nor a tradition. I would argue that we don't do so well with our own girls either.