Evidence of meeting #49 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was peru.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Excellency Roberto Rodriguez  Ambassador, Embassy of the Republic of Peru
Michael Grant  Assistant Deputy Minister, Americas, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Jason Tolland  Director General, South America, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Welcome to meeting number 49 of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House Order of June 23, 2022. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

I'd like to make a few comments for the benefit of the members.

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I remind you, again, that all comments from both witnesses and members should go through the chair.

In accordance with our routine motion—also known as the “Bergeron motion”—I can inform all members that witnesses have completed the required connection tests in advance of the meeting.

Allow me, at this juncture, to welcome two new members who have joined us for today's purposes: Ms. Shelby Kramp-Neuman and Ms. Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné.

It is now my great pleasure to welcome, from the Embassy of the Republic of Peru, His Excellency Mr. Roberto Rodríguez, who serves as the ambassador here in Ottawa. He is accompanied by Mr. Carlos Alfredo García Palacios, deputy chief of mission, and Mr. Juan Pablo Guerrero Espinoza, political affairs officer at the Peruvian embassy here in Ottawa.

Before we start, Your Excellency, I want to thank you for accommodating us. You were willing to appear before us last week but agreed to defer to today.

Yes, go ahead, Mr. Bergeron.

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Stéphane Bergeron Bloc Montarville, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll be brief. I'd like to introduce a notice of motion.

That the committee report to the House that it calls on the Azerbaijani authorities, in accordance with its obligations as a party to the trilateral declaration of November 9, 2020, and following the appeal made by the Government of Canada on December 14, 2022, to reopen the Lachin Corridor and guarantee freedom of movement in order to avoid any deterioration in the humanitarian situation.

We will have the opportunity to discuss this later, Mr. Chair. Having said that, I'd like to point out that I will be sharing my time with my colleague from the riding of Terrebonne.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Thank you very much, Mr. Bergeron.

We will now proceed with the ambassador's opening remarks.

Mr. Ambassador, you will be provided five minutes. Once you get very close to the five-minute mark, I will hold up this sign as an indication that we'd be grateful if you could kindly wrap it up. The same rule applies when the members are asking you questions, because each member is allotted a specific time. If you're getting very close to that mark, I will put this up, and we'd be grateful if you could try to summarize what you're saying.

On that point, Mr. Ambassador, the floor is yours.

11:05 a.m.

His Excellency Roberto Rodriguez Ambassador, Embassy of the Republic of Peru

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am very pleased to accept your invitation to appear at the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development today to discuss before this distinguished gathering the current situation in Peru.

As you know, last December 7, former president Pedro Castillo attempted to disrupt democracy and stage a coup d'état. If former president Castillo had achieved this goal, today we would be facing a dictatorship ruling Peru.

Due to these actions, the Peruvian Congress declared his vacancy and former vice-president Dina Boluarte assumed the presidency of Peru, following a constitutional succession process in compliance with the rules of the Peruvian constitution.

I would like to emphasize that the decision of former president Castillo was harshly criticized by his own cabinet of ministers, the legislative and judicial branches, the public ministry, the ombudsman's office, political parties, foreign governments, public opinion in general and the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

President Boluarte has proposed to Congress a path to move forward and resolve the current situation by advancing the time to have general elections, so that a new president can assume office by the end of 2023 or early 2024.

It is important to point out that the transition government from its first day set as a priority the implementation of policies to address the most urgent social demands of the population. It is relevant to highlight the installation of dialogue tables in several regions of the country in order to address the most pressing demands of the population. This is a mission that was assigned to the cabinet of ministers, aimed at building a direct communication channel between citizens and local, regional and central government authorities. Despite the willingness for dialogue offered by this new government, a series of demonstrations and justified protests arose in order to meet the social demands of the population.

It is very important to distinguish between the protests being made peacefully by a large part of the protesters exercising their rights of freedom, of expression and of demonstration, versus those by a group of people who have dedicated themselves to generating violence in the streets in the last weeks—especially in the south of the country—and seeking to impose their own agenda through these violent acts.

The Peruvian government does not seek to label any person who participates in the protest. The Peruvian Minister of Foreign Affairs has emphasized that the government identifies at least three types of protesters. First are those who have a legitimate demand as part of the great social gaps that afflict us as a society. Second are the supporters of former president Pedro Castillo who, through measures of pressure, seek to promote various political agendas, ranging from the release of the former president to the holding of a constituent assembly. Finally, there are violent groups that have committed proven attacks and acts of vandalism, and should be punished according to the law and the constitutional order.

I would like to reiterate that Peru recognizes the right to peaceful protest and remains firm and determined to bring order and provide security to all Peruvians when these violent groups use force, destroying critical infrastructure and endangering the safety and living conditions of the population. The Peruvian government has been emphatic in pointing out that it has not authorized violent repression against demonstrators in the protests.

The Government of Peru deeply regrets the loss of the irreplaceable lives of 59 of our citizens in the context of these demonstrations and the acts of violence occurring in our country. The competent entities, with full freedom and constitutional autonomy, are conducting investigations to clarify the truth and establish the applicable criminal responsibilities. Likewise, the government is accompanying the families of the victims and ensuring compensation for the tragic loss of their relatives.

Furthermore, I can clearly express that the government is providing any support and documented material needed so that justice will take its course and establish responsibilities following the due process of the law in all cases. President Boluarte and the government are committed to the investigations that are being carried out by the competent authorities and their subsequent results, which will be respected accordingly.

In addition, I would like to underscore that, acting with total transparency, the current government extended an invitation to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights and the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to visit Peru and become acquainted with the human rights situation in the country.

In response to this invitation, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights conducted a visit between January 11 and 13, preceded by a preparatory technical mission that took place last December. For its part, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights at the UN visited the country on January 19 and 20. For the accomplishment of these visits, the Peruvian state provided all the facilities to meet with authorities, representatives of civil society and victims of the tragic events, and provided as well its full co-operation in order for them to carry out their activities.

Each of the more than 33 million Peruvians has human rights. We have the right to protest peacefully, the right to freedom of expression and opinion, the right to freedom of movement, the right to work and the right to access health and education. To guarantee these rights, we first need to restore social peace through an open and comprehensive dialogue between all parties involved, leaving behind violence, which is not the appropriate means to achieve political objectives.

It is the duty of the Peruvian state and its population to defend democratic institutionality and reinforce it, guaranteeing respect for the human rights of all Peruvians and ensuring a democratic constitutional transition to the next elected authorities. The Government of Peru believes that the solution to the current political situation is the advance call for new general elections. We do hope that the international community supports this constitutional and democratic process.

Finally, I wish to thank and recognize the valuable support of the Government of Canada and members of Parliament during President Boluarte's difficult transition period. lt is extremely important that we protect democracy and the rule of law, united with friendly governments who share our common values and principles. The Peruvian people want peace and prosperity and to build a better future for the country and its fellow citizens.

I would greatly appreciate your continued support during this period of transition. Canada and Peru have forged a long-standing, solid and friendly relationship as strong partners. We look forward to continuing to work closely to strengthen democracy and the rule of law, not just in our countries but throughout the region.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Thank you very much, Ambassador Rodriguez.

We will now turn to the members for questions.

Mr. Hoback, you have the first slot for six minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to thank you and your colleagues, Ambassador, for being here this morning to give us the latest update on what's going on in Peru. I do appreciate the briefings you've given us over time. This a nice chance to get it all on the record officially.

You talked about the constitutional process that was used to re-establish the interim leadership. Can you maybe describe how that functioned and how that operated?

11:15 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

We have articles 90 and 112 of the political constitution that established a term of five years for the Congress and the presidency. This means that, under ordinary circumstances, the members of Congress as well as President Boluarte would finish their current term in July 2026.

As I mentioned before, there was a constitutional association when former president Castillo tried to attempt a coup d'état. There was an immediate reaction from all the democratic institutions. Congress convened, and President Castillo was impeached with 103 votes from all the political parties, including Peru Libre, which was the party that presented the presidency of former president Castillo. After that, strictly following what the constitution says, Vice-President Boluarte was sworn in as President of Peru. This is the way the constitution proceeded.

Now the government is trying to hear the general demand of the population in advance of a new general electoral process. To do so, we need to have constitutional reform. That is why, taking into account this political crisis and the demands of the population, President Boluarte, in accordance with the provisions of article 107 of the political constitution of Peru, submitted for the urgent consideration of the Congress of the Republic a constitutional reform project that modifies the terms of her mandate. It proposes that the general election be moved forward to April 2024. That deal was approved last December in a first vote with 93 votes.

I must point out that, prior to the presentation of this bill, there was another one presented within Congress in which is it was proposed to hold elections in December 2023 and assume a new government on May 1, 2024. That project was rejected.

Subsequently, in January, they led a side deal that was presented by the executive branch, and within Congress, there were two projects presented to bring forward elections to December 2023, which did not achieve the necessary consensus for approval.

For these reasons, President Boluarte presented for the second time a new project to advance elections, this time to be held in October of this year and having the new government take office on December 31 of this year. This project was referred to the constitution committee and was not approved. Currently, the Congress is still discussing the issue and the legislative session could be concluded by tomorrow, but there is some discussion between the parties and Congress to extend this legislative session until February 17 to continue talking about this. This is still being worked out right now as we are talking.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Are all members of Congress to decide? It's not one individual saying this or that.

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

No, it's the institution of Congress according to the constitution, because, to call a general electoral process in advance, we need to reform the constitution. The only body that can do that is Congress.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Concerning the individuals that are elected at this point in time, if there is a new election, will they be allowed to put their names forward again for the next term or will they have termed out?

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

This is something that is being discussed within Congress, if they have the possibility of being re-elected or not, because the constitution does not recognize the possibility for congresswomen and congressmen to be re-elected. In this case, because the mandate has not finished due to it's being five years, I don't know if they are going to be discussing the possibility. This is something that pertains to the Congress.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

In the removal of the president, Congress followed the constitution in the process to have him removed. Is that fair to say?

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

Strictly, yes. It was a constitutional succession. There is no question about it.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

As far as the military and the judicial branch, there's an agreement the process was legitimate.

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

When former president Castillo attempted this coup d'état and gave his message to the nation, after the message, the armed forces and the police immediately made a communiqué saying that they were going to respect the constitution.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

It did what it was supposed to do.

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

Exactly. It respected the constitution and all the democratic institutions answered to that attempt of former president Castillo. He was impeached, as I mentioned earlier. Then Vice-President Boluarte was sworn in.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

When you look now at the protests that are going on, do you see any outside influence from countries in the region that are trying to have an impact and disrupt the activities in Peru, or do you see it as just domestic?

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

There are ongoing investigations. I cannot tell you whether that is the case or not.

The reality, as I mentioned, is that we, as a government, have been able to differentiate two types of protesters. There are those who are peacefully expressing their demands and what they believe is necessary to do. The second group are the supporters of former president Castillo. The only political agenda they have is to have former president Castillo liberated and have a new constitution. Then these violent groups.... I don't know.

What I can tell you is.... I have the information here regarding a statement made by the Minister of Foreign Affairs in which—

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Mr. Ambassador, I'm sorry. We're considerably over time.

Can I ask that you conclude your remarks in about 20 seconds?

11:20 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

Okay. I can get back to that.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ali Ehsassi

Thank you.

We next go to MP Zuberi.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Ambassador Rodriguez, I'd like to thank you for being here. I've read your bio and I see that you've been a diplomat since 1990. I recognize your service and your contribution to this committee.

Can you please tell us what the situation of past-president Castillo is right now? Can you briefly touch upon that?

11:25 a.m.

Roberto Rodriguez

Of course.

As mentioned, former president Castillo attempted a coup d'état. It was considered a criminal act, typified in our criminal laws as a crime of rebellion. After giving a message to the nation where he declared the constitutional closing of Congress and the intervention of the whole judiciary, he decided to rule by himself through decrees.

He was detained in flagrant delicto of his crime by the Peruvian National Police and placed at the disposal of the corresponding judicial authorities.

Given the seriousness of the act and the position Mr. Castillo held, the Peruvian Supreme Court of Justice ordered Mr. Castillo to be held in preventive detention for 18 months. This period of detention is being executed in strict respect of his fundamental rights. He is not in a common prison. He's in a special prison. The former president has a legal defence and receives daily visits. He has even been visited by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. He is not isolated and actively coordinates the management of his Twitter account, among other rights.

The situation of former president Castillo is a matter of strict competence of the public prosecutor's office and the judiciary, which are institutions that have been following his judicial case in strict compliance with the rules of due process. I have to emphasize that they work under the constitutional principle of the separation of powers and are autonomous in their responsibilities and decisions in each specific place.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Sameer Zuberi Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Thank you. That was a very thorough answer. You basically highlighted what I was questioning about due process and his judicial rights. I understand it's a very fluid moment in your country, but in hard times, it's critical that fundamental rights are respected.

Continuing on that theme, we know that 59 people have been killed since the new President Boluarte, your current president, has assumed office.

Can you share how your country is protecting the fundamental freedom of people to express their opinions in a pacific way? How is your country ensuring that people are not being injured or killed while expressing those fundamental freedoms?