Sure.
Evidence of meeting #18 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gillani.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #18 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gillani.
A recording is available from Parliament.
5:10 p.m.
As an Individual
Yes. If he had just said, “I think a term sheet might show up next week”, that's a little different from the exact amount of money that we'd been looking for from the very beginning at a very attractive interest rate, repayable out of net profits. That's a dream for a business.
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
That's a sweet, sweet deal. In fact, it's a great f–ing deal, according to one e-mail that we saw here.
What role did you think Mr. Jaffer would play, though, in that? Would your company have worked through Green Power Generation Corp. to put that proposal together? Did you need consultation or consultant advice to craft a proposal in a way that it would qualify for the loan?
5:10 p.m.
As an Individual
Frankly, we never got to that point. We hadn't talked about how it would be presented or anything like that.
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
So Jaffer showed up long enough to flash his parliamentary business card and add to the case that Gillani is connected to this green fund.
Was it Jaffer personally who said, “I'm in front of a $100-million green fund”?
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Was “in front” the language he used? It's an odd choice of words.
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
That's really the nub of it, because even if you don't know much about lobbying—and ordinary people wouldn't—there's a fine line between lobbying and influence peddling. Selling your influence, as a public office holder, for a fee is a very serious criminal offence.
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
Mr. Jaffer had been out of politics by that time, but his wife was not.
5:10 p.m.
As an Individual
Yes, and you know, “in front” was what I recall. Whether it was “in front” or “close to”—
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
But he wouldn't have said that in one sentence. If you could think carefully....
5:10 p.m.
As an Individual
—or whatever, the actual words that were used suggested to me that he was in front. That was my recollection of how he had put it. I didn't have a tape recorder with me. I didn't, obviously, record word for word what he had said.
5:10 p.m.
NDP
Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB
But that claim would have been backed up by this business card. It was a parliamentary business card.
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi
Thank you, Mr. Martin.
The person who has presented the motion, Ms. Coady, wants to discuss the motion on Monday. So I am fine with continuing on with the round of questioning if everybody is agreeable.
Monsieur Guimond.
5:10 p.m.
Bloc
Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC
I have no objection to deferring the discussion of our colleague's motion to Monday. But I would still like to know, Madam Chair, whether we could take five minutes to talk about planning our future work.
5:15 p.m.
Bloc
Michel Guimond Bloc Montmorency—Charlevoix—Haute-Côte-Nord, QC
I am not sure if it will take five minutes, but I would like to make a comment about the future work.
5:15 p.m.
Liberal
Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Good afternoon, Mr. Harvey.
I would like to go to the part where Mr. Snowdy gets involved in this dilemma here. From what he told us, he had been hired by either you or your company, however you want to put it, to investigate Mr. Gillani. Why did you find it necessary to investigate Mr. Gillani to begin with?