Evidence of meeting #30 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was security.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Don Head  Commissioner, Correctional Service Canada
  • Ward Elcock  Former Coordinator of Olympic and G8/G20 Security, Privy Council Office
  • Peter McGovern  Assistant Deputy Minister, Asia and Chief Trade Commissioner, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to call this meeting to order, please.

This is meeting number 30 of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.

There are a couple of motions before the committee, both in substantially the same form. I'd like to deal with those motions first. I'd ask both proponents to speak very briefly in favour of their motions, because the chair does need some guidance as to some ordering of the committee's agenda.

Madam Bourgeois, I recognize you first.

8:45 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

On October 8, I introduced a motion to discuss my proposal today, October 19. It deals with the awarding of contracts by Public Works and Government Services Canada and it is a matter for the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates. You have all received the motion.

Mr. Chair, do you think that I really have to read it? It is a long one.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

I don't think it's necessary.

Are there any amendments to the motion?

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

Siobhan Coady St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

We are in favour of this motion, but I would like to propose a friendly amendment. In light of the fact that there is a current study ongoing in the procedure and House affairs committee, I would propose that we remove only Hubert Pichet, assistant to Conservative Senator Pierre Claude Nolin, from the list of witnesses in that motion. That is because we're going through that whole study about having staff appear before committee--that is in the procedure and House affairs committee. So I'd suggest and ask that that little bit be removed from the motion, and then we'll be in favour.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

Madam Bourgeois, do you receive that as a friendly amendment to the motion?

8:45 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Yes, I will accept a friendly amendment.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

Mr. Martin.

8:45 a.m.

NDP

Pat Martin Winnipeg Centre, MB

The only thing I might add, which may save us the time of going through the second motion that's put forward, and I do support Madam Bourgeois' motion, is to add the detail that is different in mine, which is that we recommend a moratorium on all contracts and tendering related to and associated with the architectural restoration of the Parliament Buildings until such time as this committee can undertake its study to assure ourselves that there is no political interference or tampering or hanky-panky in the contracting process.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

First of all, for the purposes of order, can we treat both motions as one for the purposes of the overall committee decision?

8:45 a.m.

NDP

Pat Martin Winnipeg Centre, MB

I like that idea.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

Okay, then we'll do that. The motion is as amended by Madam Coady.

I will recognize Mr. Warkentin.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

Chris Warkentin Peace River, AB

Mr. Chair, this morning I sense that this may take some time, if we were to debate and deliberate. I'm wondering if there is a possibility that we might be able to table this motion to a steering committee meeting so that it can be undertaken.

I have a number of questions in that I don't know any of these people named in this motion. I have no idea what exactly is the intent of calling these witnesses. It might take some time to investigate or understand exactly what's going on.

I'm wondering, Mr. Chair, if there's a possibility that we might be able to table this to a meeting when we don't have such a full schedule.

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

Madam Bourgeois.

8:45 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Mr. Chair, given that we have to get to the bottom of this quickly, I think I am going to accept Mr. Martin's amendment, if he makes it officially. Then we will be able to move to a vote as quickly as possible.

8:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair John McKay

Mr. Warkentin has suggested that we postpone the discussion of this matter to the steering committee on Thursday.

From the standpoint of the chair, that would actually be my preference. The motions have been presented. There is guidance here to the chair as to which way the committee wishes to proceed, if you will, on the content of where you want to proceed.

I don't know that arguing over technicalities in the motion will contribute a great deal.

I would, first of all, ask the committee whether we are prepared to follow Mr. Warkentin's suggestion, namely that we deal with this matter before the subcommittee.