Evidence of meeting #18 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was estimates.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Michelle d'Auray  Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
  • Bill Matthews  Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management, Treasury Board Secretariat
  • Christine Walker  Assistant Secretary and Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Services, Treasury Board Secretariat
  • Sally Thornton  Executive Director, Expenditure Operations and Estimates, Expenditure Management, Treasury Board Secretariat

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

So they made the recommendation. They implemented it and they're responsible for the evaluation.

5:05 p.m.

Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

Michelle d'Auray

There was an evaluation done and there will be an evaluation done to determine whether or not this particular mechanism is more effective.

We can get back to you with further information, but as I recall, it was felt that because CRA was already in the collection business on a number of bases for government-funded initiatives, it made sense for it to take on that responsibility.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

Right. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5:05 p.m.

Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management, Treasury Board Secretariat

Bill Matthews

Mr. Chair, the advantage for CRA is that they can offset student loans against tax refunds. So you have an integrated collector there, because CRA--

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

I'm not complaining about it. But for us to review whether the decision was a right one, I would like to see the answer.

5:05 p.m.

Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

Michelle d'Auray

It is an evaluation that would be done. Normally, evaluations are done on a five-year basis to be able to ascertain whether or not the program has achieved the results provided.

If I just may add something on the question of reprofiling. Not every program for which funds haven't been expended is automatically reprofiled. There is in fact a fairly extensive challenge function that is undertaken, and the approvals have to be given for the reprofile to be presented. So there isn't an automatic reprofiling.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

Okay.

5:05 p.m.

Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

Michelle d'Auray

I just wanted you to know that. There seemed to be an assumption that just because--

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

So it's not as if, “We get it approved this year, don't worry about it, as we'll get it automatically approved next year.”

5:05 p.m.

Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

Michelle d'Auray

No, there is no automatic approval. The only “automatic”, if I can put it that way, is the 5% carry forward, called the operating budget carry forward.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

Right.

5:05 p.m.

Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat

Michelle d'Auray

That is also capped to the operating expenditures of a department.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Burlington, ON

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5:05 p.m.

NDP

The Chair Pat Martin

You ended up using up your five minutes after all.

Next for the NDP, we go to Mathieu Ravignat.

5:05 p.m.

NDP

Mathieu Ravignat Pontiac, QC

First, I would like to thank you for being here and for your important contribution.

My first question relates to a development contract for certain federal buildings between SNC-Lavalin and Public Works and Government Services Canada. The reason I am asking is that the representatives of this department could not answer my question.

Where does the overbilling, which is rather substantial, appear in the cost estimates?