Evidence of meeting #77 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was buildings.

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Brian Staszenski  General Manager, North American Office, Global Resource Efficiency Services

11:20 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

We will reconvene the meeting.

We are finished the in camera portion and we're going into the public portion now.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.

I want to begin by thanking our witnesses for their patience, especially you, Mr. Staszenski, for getting up early and joining us all the way from Edmonton. We appreciate that very much.

Also, Mr. Karakasis, from the Building Owners and Managers Association of Ottawa, welcome, sir. We apologize for keeping you waiting.

We have a situation going on in the House of Commons where we expect the bells to ring fairly soon to call us back for a vote. We have no control over that. It is the practice of the committee that when the bills ring we have to adjourn the committee and leave.

We want to welcome you here and thank you for the trouble you've taken to prepare a presentation. We'll give you a few minutes to at least introduce your subject matter. We may have to ask you to send in through the clerk the body of your text that we can deliberate. We are going to make an effort though to call you back again should the committee find time in the context of this study.

Without further delay I'm going to ask Mr. Staszenski from Edmonton to begin with three to five minutes if you could, sir, to give us a brief overview of your presentation. We hope the bells don't interrupt us.

You have the floor, sir.

11:20 a.m.

Brian Staszenski General Manager, North American Office, Global Resource Efficiency Services

Thank you very much.

I sent in ahead of time a one-pager. If people can have that one-pager in front of them, it would help them understand better what I'm going to talk about. I'll be very to the point and get right at it.

When we talk about buildings, there are two types of buildings in my mind, the new construction ones that are coming at you and the existing buildings. It's the existing buildings that I'm going to talk about today.

The federal government, obviously, owns buildings and leases buildings, and from what I understand, more and more you're moving towards leasing buildings. Where you deal with existing buildings, and you own them or you lease them, you have two different approaches about how you take on energy efficiency and conservation measures in those worlds.

What I'm going to talk about first are the buildings that you own. What happens in our industry—and I run and own a company called Global Resource Efficiency Services, and we've been doing this for a long time—there are two approaches to take when you're dealing with existing buildings and upgrading them for efficiency. One is a tactical approach and one is a strategic approach.

The tactical approach is what's happening too much, too often every day: your building managers, the people who run your facilities, are faced with crises. Your roof is leaking, your windows are going, the boiler has blown. What you're doing is reacting to those problems and solving them as best you can.

The other thing that happens very often with your people is they're getting approached by many companies. This is a growing industry and people are coming to your people saying, “Hey, I've got a light. Why don't you buy this light”, or “I've got a monitoring tool”, or whatever. And they try to sell these technologies to your people. That's all fine and dandy, but we don't believe in that approach. We believe in what this one-pager is talking about, which is our GRES service model. We like to attack renovations to existing buildings through a strategic approach, and it follows something that we call AIM—audit, implement, and monitor. Basically what we're trying to do is create a strategy that will allow your building people to make the right choices, make sound, intelligent choices about how to move forward in terms of energy upgrades.

In the tactical world, a lot of companies will come and say, “Let's do a lighting upgrade in your facility”, and away you go and you do that lighting upgrade without any consideration for the impact it's going to have on the heating and cooling of your facility. Lights give off a lot of heat. When you pull out the old technology and you put in, for example, LED lighting—we just finished 90,000 square feet of that—you're removing all of the heat generation that's coming from that lighting. You need to adjust how you run your heating and cooling in your facility.

In our work—and I'm going to get right to the point here in terms of the audit, implementation, and monitoring world—in the audit world you start to do the planning that is required to make those good, sound decisions. In that planning process, you're looking at what your long-term plans are for building renewal; that's very important. How soon, over a 25-year period, are the components of your building going to break down, and when will you have to deal with that?

We want to understand that because energy efficiency measures can help attack some of those problems. If you need a new roof and it has to be replaced, maybe that's the time to put solar PV on the roof, as an example. It gives you those opportunities to make those kinds of decisions when you're doing that kind of planning.

In the audit stage, you're doing an assessment of where you're at. What's your baseline of energy consumption for gas, water, electricity, and so forth? What are your building renewal needs? What have you done so far? Where is your energy intensity index that you should be looking at for each of your individual buildings? What are your policies, procedures, and so forth? What you get out of that top part when we do that kind of work is called the strategic plan.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Mr. Staszenski, I'm going to take this opportunity to interrupt you.

I'm afraid the bells are ringing, the lights are flashing, and we are almost due to adjourn.

11:25 a.m.

General Manager, North American Office, Global Resource Efficiency Services

11:25 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

I feel terrible about this and all the trouble you've gone to. We appreciate your input, and we will be consulting you for more information, sir, as we proceed with this study.

11:25 a.m.

General Manager, North American Office, Global Resource Efficiency Services

11:25 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

The same goes for you, I'm afraid, Mr. Karakasis.

11:25 a.m.

Dean Karakasis

Bye.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

We have no choice, but I'm certainly hoping you can come back and see us again on some future date.

Thank you very much.

The meeting is adjourned, ladies and gentlemen.