Evidence of meeting #2 for Health in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was products.

A recording is available from Parliament.

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michelle Boudreau  Director General, Natural Health Products Directorate, Department of Health
David Butler-Jones  Chief Public Health Officer, Public Health Agency of Canada
Morris Rosenberg  Deputy Minister, Department of Health

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the health committee.

I must say a special welcome to the Honourable Leona Aglukkaq. We're so pleased to have the minister with us today.

The orders of the day, pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), are the supplementary estimates (C) 2009-2010, votes 1c, 5c, 10c, 25c, 40c and 50c under health, referred to the committee on Wednesday, March 3, 2010. We will have appearing before us the Honourable Leona Aglukkaq.

As well, pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), we have before us main estimates 2010-2011, votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 under health, referred to the committee on Wednesday, March 3, 2010.

As I said, we welcome the Honourable Leona Aglukkaq. As well, with us today we have Dr. David Butler-Jones, chief public health officer.

Welcome, Dr. Jones. We see you a lot these days and we're very happy to have you back.

We have James Libbey, chief financial officer. Welcome, Mr. Libbey.

We have Morris Rosenberg, of course, deputy minister. We see you a lot, and we're very happy to have you back again.

With him is Alfred Tsang, chief financial officer as well. Welcome.

We will begin this morning with a presentation from Minister Aglukkaq.

Thank you.

9:10 a.m.

Nunavut Nunavut

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq ConservativeMinister of Health

Good morning and thank you, Madam Chair, and members of the committee. It's a pleasure for me to be here with you once again. I see there are new faces around the table. It's nice to be here with you.

I won't go into the introductions of the staff with me today, as you've already covered that, Madam Chair, so I'll go right into my opening remarks.

I'm here to address both supplementary estimates (C) for fiscal year 2009-10 and the main estimates for the health portfolio for the next fiscal year, 2010-11.

With reference to supplementary estimates (C) for Health Canada, there is a net increase of roughly $38 million. For the Public Health Agency, there is an increase of $54 million. As you would expect, a large portion of those increases were due to expenses related to the second wave of the H1N1 pandemic. For the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, there was an increase of roughly $600,000.

With reference to the main estimates for 2010-11, there is an increase of $50.7 million over last year's budget for Health Canada, with $56.5 million for CIHR and roughly $30 million for the Public Health Agency.

The significant increases for Health Canada's main estimates are primarily going to first nations and Inuit health services at $304 million; the official languages health contribution program at $14.8 million; and the food and consumer safety action plan at $12.9 million. Because there are significant decreases from other programs that are coming to an end, the balance is $50.7 million.

Our priorities for the coming year are to continue making investments that will improve the health of Canadians. We have also identified areas for investments in first nations and Inuit health programs.

My last appearance before this committee was in December. At that time we were still in the midst of a national H1N1 vaccination campaign; that campaign has come to a conclusion.

By the end of the campaign, 15 million Canadians--nearly half of this country's population--had been immunized against the H1N1 flu virus. It was the biggest national immunization campaign ever undertaken in Canada. Nowhere was the campaign more successful than in first nations communities: more than 99% of on-reserve first nations communities held vaccination clinics. That success was thanks to the dedication of community volunteers who also helped organize those clinics and who took the lead in other preparations for the second wave of the pandemic.

Health Canada and first nations worked together in many ways to fight H1N1. In September I signed a joint communication protocol on H1N1 with Shawn Atleo, the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, and Indian and Northern Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl. As part of that joint protocol, Chief Atleo and I co-hosted the virtual summit on H1N1 in first nations communities, which was broadcast live on the Internet in November.

From a national perspective, we have continued to monitor reports of people with flu-like symptoms and at the moment those levels remain very low. One of the characteristics of the H1N1 virus is that it is easily transmitted from one person to another, but with almost half of all Canadians now immunized, the pathways to transmissions are blocked.

There are countless other valuable contributions from across the health portfolio. For example, CIHR mobilized the research community to support our response to H1N1. That research helped us understand the virus. CIHR also worked with PHA to establish a national network to evaluate the vaccine.

Now is the time to learn from our experience in responding to the H1N1 pandemic. Looking back and fully assessing how we managed this public health event will help to inform and improve future responses.

There is no greater priority for our government than the health and safety of all Canadians. It was our motivation for introducing consumer product safety legislation. We know that stronger product safety is what Canadians want. Our government made a commitment in the Speech from the Throne to reintroduce this important legislation in its original form. When passed, the safety of toys and hundreds of other consumer products available in the Canadian marketplace will be greatly improved.

We continue to work to help improve the health of Canadian aboriginal people. Budget 2010 committed $285 million over the next two years for the continuation of aboriginal health programs.

Those programs have proven to have a very positive effect on the lives of thousands of Canada's aboriginal people. For example, the aboriginal diabetes initiative has funded prevention programs on 600 reserves and trained 300 community workers who can now teach others about how to prevent this disease.

The national aboriginal youth suicide prevention strategy has already funded 200 community-based programs. The maternal child health program has served 2,500 families and trained 250 workers who can keep on helping new mothers. The aboriginal head start program helps aboriginal children with their school work. It has helped 9,000 children in first nations communities and another 4,500 living in urban centres.

The aboriginal health human resources initiative is designed to get young aboriginal Canadians to become doctors or nurses or to pursue careers in the health care field. So far it has supported 62 aboriginal medical students, 436 nursing students, and nearly 2,000 others in a long list of careers in health care.

It is worth noting that our commitment to improving health in Inuit communities and first nations will also be supported through budget initiatives funded by other departments. For example, budget 2010 commits $45 million towards making healthy foods more affordable and more accessible to people living in northern and remote communities. We know that healthier food can lead to better overall health, and we have to make the healthy foods available if we want to see better results.

Budget 2010 has also extended funding for a program that was due to come to an end. Another $60 million has been allocated to fund the territorial health system sustainability initiative for another two years. By continuing on, we will be able to consolidate the progress made in reducing reliance on outside health care systems and medical travel.

Our work in improving health is always guided by the understanding of the positive and negative influences on the human body. That understanding is based on science, and in order to make greater improvements, we must continue to fund scientific health research. In the year ahead, the Canadian Institutes of Health Research will receive an additional $16 million in funding. It will expand the CIHR base budget and build in flexibilities to respond to the new and emerging health priorities. Investments in health research will pay dividends in many ways. A better understanding of the factors that affect health will help guide our policy in the years to come.

A health priority for the Government of Canada is to accelerate the development of a safe, effective, accessible, and affordable HIV vaccine. It is a goal we hope to achieve in part through collaboration with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. An essential element of that development is to have facilities to test new vaccines. A study to evaluate vaccine manufacturing capacity was commissioned by the Gates Foundation. The results of this study demonstrated that there is now sufficient vaccine manufacturing capacity in North America and Europe to meet research needs.

With that knowledge, the Government of Canada and the Gates Foundation jointly decided not to proceed with construction of a new vaccine manufacturing facility, because it is no longer needed. However--and I want to be absolutely clear on this--the money that was earmarked for the new facility is still committed to the cause of preventing HIV and developing an HIV vaccine. Given the importance of our objective, we are examining all options and will take the time needed to ensure the direction we take and the activities we choose to support yields of the best possible results.

Addressing the global disruption in the supply of medical isotopes will continue to be a priority for Health Canada, its portfolio partners, and other departments. This commitment is reflected in budget 2010. In the last year, we have seen incredible resourcefulness and creativity in managing the existing supply. It is a credit to Canada's health professionals, provinces, and territories that supply disruptions have not had a greater impact on our health system. For our part, Health Canada will continue to work with stakeholders to optimize the use of medical isotopes in the health care system.

The Canadian Institutes of Health Research will fund a clinical trial network to help get research on isotopes and imaging technologies into clinical practice. Health Canada has expedited the review of alternate sources of supplies to mitigate the impact of the shutdown of the reactor at Chalk River. Most recently, Health Canada authorized a new source of medical isotopes from the Maria reactor in Poland. While this is a small source of isotopes, it will also bring additional supplies to Canada.

In the year ahead, we must continue the work that is already under way. We are in the process of making the improvements with regard to food safety recommended in the Weatherill report. To accomplish those goals, we are working with stakeholders in the provinces and the territories so that all of the recommendations become reality as quickly as possible. Budget 2010 renewed our commitment to invest $500 million in Canada Health Infoway. We know that modernizing our health records system by bringing it into the electronic age will reduce a number of burdens on the health system.

As members of the committee know all too well, 2009 was an important year in terms of health legislation. We moved to remove flavouring from tobacco that would entice young people to smoke. We passed a bill to promote safety and security with respect to human pathogens and toxins. And of course, as I have already mentioned, we drafted new consumer protection legislation that we will reintroduce in its original form in the weeks to come.

In the year ahead we will stay focused on our long-term health goal while being ready to address any emerging issues. I know that all members of this committee and all members of the House share a common vision of a healthier nation. We must continue to make improvements wherever they are needed in order to continue to be one of the healthiest countries in the world.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions this morning.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you, Minister, for that very insightful presentation.

We're now going into the first round of the questions. As you know, the time limits are a little different when a minister joins us. We will have the Liberals with a 15-minute question-and-answer period, and then the Bloc with 10, the NDP with 10, and the Conservatives with 10 in the first round.

I will begin with Dr. Bennett.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Thank you very much.

Madam Chair, I want to confirm that the minister will be with us for the full two hours.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

The understanding is that the minister will be here for, I think, 90 minutes.

That is the time that you have, Minister? Is that not correct?

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

As far as I know, that's—

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

How long are you able to be at committee? We understand it's for 90 minutes today, right?

Yes, it's 90 minutes, Dr. Bennett.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

That is disappointing. I would ask, seeing that we are doing both the main estimates and the supplementary estimates, that we request that the minister come back, if we're not finished with the kind of scrutiny that this committee needs to do.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Let me just say that we're having two days for the estimates. We have the minister and the officials as well. I just want to put on record, Dr. Bennett, that this minister has been at this committee more often than any other health minister has on record, and in a very short time. Her schedule is very busy. She's very accessible. We can look at other times, but for the purposes of the estimates, it's 90 minutes for this week.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Okay. Well, we will reserve, I think, the ability to recall her, as we did in the summer, which is the reason that she has been as often as she's been: it's because this committee was recalled a number of times to hear from the minister.

After what happened last summer, when she left after an hour, we are very much part of.... After the prorogation, we want to tell you that this committee has a responsibility to actually oversee the work of the government—that means the work of the ministers in their departments—and we aren't going to be persuaded that a minister's busy schedule.... Nothing is more important than appearing before a committee, and from now on, we hope that when the minister is called before a committee, it means that for those two hours the minister must be here. I rest it there.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Dr. Bennett, could we go to the questions?

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Yes. It is my 15 minutes, I think.

Firstly, I wanted to thank the minister....

Minister, I'm talking to you.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

Yes, I'm well aware of that.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

It didn't look like it.

I wanted to thank you for the excellent conference that you held last Thursday, Friday, and Saturday in Edmonton with the Native Women's Association. I think that it is the role of the federal government to be trying to get more aboriginal physicians, and to see those 100 young women from across the country willing to be persuaded to be health professionals was truly admirable. I thank you for your support of that conference.

To begin, I am surprised and astounded that one of the few increases in your estimates was for your motor car allowance. I just want to know why on earth you would leave that red flag there of a $1,000 increase in your motor car allowance when the rest of the country is putting up with compressions and reductions. It just seems ridiculous that you would allow that to stand as the estimates went to Treasury Board, on page 13-2. I just will put you on notice that it may be necessary for this committee to reduce that travel allowance by the $1,000 at the end of this meeting, which you won't be here for, it sounds like.

In terms of top of mind, we are extraordinarily concerned about what is happening with tuberculosis in Canada. I'm having trouble finding out where the commitment is to reduce this unacceptable difference between non-aboriginal and aboriginal people in terms of it being 31 times higher in aboriginal people and 186 times higher in Inuit people. I don't see where that's reflected in the budget other than in reducing contributions for first nations and Inuit community programs: $70 million out of there, $50 million out of contributions for first nations and Inuit primary health care. How does the minister reconcile that?

And in this draft program for TB, the Canadian tuberculosis prevention and control strategy, your draft for winter of 2009, I want to know why first nations and Inuit health branch gets $4,134,000 while CIC is getting $7,397,000 in terms of immigration when it's very clear from the data that foreign-acquired TB is not a contagion risk. In fact, it says in your plan, “Very little TB in the foreign born is acquired in Canada. Most disease in these populations is acquired abroad....”

So why is almost twice the money for TB going to Citizenship and Immigration than to your department?

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

Thank you.

As it relates to TB, there are a number of investments that we have made in the area of tuberculosis, health transfers being one of them, to provinces and territories. Provinces and territories, as the member is well aware, allocate their funding to programs they see as appropriate, depending on their population makeup.

Of course, improving the health of first nations is one of the most important ways of preventing disease, including TB. We have invested significantly over the last three years to support the better health outcomes, and it's not just in areas of treatment of tuberculosis. As the member is well aware, there are many other factors that contribute to tuberculosis.

I have a press release here from one of the jurisdictions basically saying that the significant difference between other parts of Canada in the prevalence is related to overcrowding in housing, poverty, smoking, and limited access to affordable, healthy food. As the member is well aware, we've made significant investments in infrastructure, social housing, in first nations communities and Inuit communities. We're trying to address the issue of poverty by healthy foods, as the member is well aware.

The other introduction is the tobacco legislation to reduce the number of smokers among our Canadian population, and so on. So a huge number of investments have been made by this government to try to address the underlying causes of tuberculosis. In addition to that, we've continued to increase health transfers to monitor the situation and to treat individuals with tuberculosis.

Thank you.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Minister, the numbers say that in the aboriginal population it's 31 times the non-aboriginal population, and for Inuit it's 186 times. These are the responsibilities of the federal government.

I can't see that there's a plan or that it's costed out. What is your personal plan to reduce this unacceptable gap in the health status of our aboriginal and Inuit people with respect to TB? How much will it cost? What, by when, and how? Where is the money in the estimates?

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

To clarify that, I think one needs to be well aware that the territories and provinces deliver health care to Inuit people. Health Canada does not deliver health care to Inuit people; we deliver health care to first nations reserves. The territories and the provinces with Inuit populations receive their funding through health transfers, which we've increased by 6% annually. Each jurisdiction will then allocate that funding, depending on the issues, programs, and priorities within their own respective jurisdictions, to address important health issues.

I'll use a quote from the government:

The Government of Nunavut has a successful tuberculosis program in place that meets or exceeds the Canadian standards. “98% of tuberculosis patients in Nunavut complete treatment compared to [other jurisdictions]....”

There are initiatives undertaken by each jurisdiction, but I should note again that Health Canada will continue to transfer funding to provinces and territories. We have not cut health care transfers, as we saw in the 1990s.

We will continue to make the investments to ensure that there are better health outcomes, as I described earlier in my first response.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Could I ask the minister to table the Canadian tuberculosis prevention and control strategy, and then ask you to please put the money aside? I do not think that just handing the money to a province and territory is a strategy for the health minister for this country. Whether you're doing well in Nunavut, which is a very small percentage of our aboriginal population...we're almost a million in terms of aboriginal people in this country, and their results are an embarrassment to our country.

I would like the minister to table a strategy that's been costed out.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

The Government of Canada has invested $6.6 million in direct support of a whole range of tuberculosis prevention and control programs to first nations on reserve across the country. In addition to that, collaboration across other Health Canada communicable disease programming enabled the leverage of additional funds for emergency use. This year the total amount invested in TB on reserves is $9.6 million.

Thank you.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

I would just refer the minister to table 7 of the TB prevention and control strategy, which still has almost twice the money going to Citizenship and Immigration than it does to the first nations and Inuit health branch. I would like that sorted out in terms of how you will go forward with a real strategy that is properly paid for in order to close this gap.

Will you table the strategy?

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

I don't believe the table you're making reference to is part of the estimates.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

It's part of the draft TB prevention and control strategy, winter 2009. It's okay, you can table it later.

Minister, on the issue of the isotopes, I think we are pretty concerned that it's been over a year now that the provinces and territories have been bearing the burden of the lack of a plan from the federal government on this. The provinces and territories have asked for help. We have asked you for help.

I understand that you have asked the provinces and territories to put together the numbers it has cost, in terms of the increased cost of the isotopes and the increased cost of health human resources and the overtime. I guess I would like to hear from you now if you are committed to reimbursing the provinces and territories for these increased costs in isotopes. If so, why isn't it in the estimates?

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

Madam Chair, in speaking to the provinces and territories on this issue, I stated that I'm committed to having a discussion. I've asked for this information from the provinces and territories in terms of additional costs and so on. I have not received any information back from the provinces and territories to date.

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Is there a deadline on this? The provinces and territories have significant increases in their costs, and I will personally endeavour to encourage the provinces and territories to get their numbers in. That being said, once you get the numbers from them, Minister, will you be able to reimburse them for the money they've had to spend in hospitals and clinics because there have been no isotopes?

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Leona Aglukkaq Conservative Nunavut, NU

I won't speculate. I have asked the provinces and territories for that information and I will wait for that information. Once we are there, I said I was committed to speaking with them.

I also have to say that a lot of work has gone into dealing with this issue across the country and there has been great collaboration and cooperation with the medical community, provinces and territories. I believe every member at this table yesterday received a briefing on the status update as to how we're managing the medical isotopes issue across the country. A lot of work has gone into the whole area of contingency planning so that contingency measures that were established across provinces and territories have helped to mitigate the shortage we are dealing with.

I'll just go through, province by province and by jurisdictions, in terms of how they are coping.