Evidence of meeting #8 for Health in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was facility.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bill Cameron  President, Canadian Association for HIV Research
Rainer Engelhardt  Assistant Deputy Minister, Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Donald Gerson  President and Chief Executive Officer, PnuVax Inc.
Rafick-Pierre Sekaly  Co-Director and Scientific Director, Vaccine and Gene Therapy Institute Florida
Steven Sternthal  Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Was one bid on top?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

There was no ranking in the external process.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

We heard from Dr. Butler-Jones that there was a ranking.

Was one applicant recommended by the technical committee?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

No, there was no recommendation from the technical process.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Okay.

It's my understanding that a $3 million allocation was discussed, which would be provided to an applicant with potential to move forward to implementation. Yes or no?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

No, I am not aware of anything of that nature.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Okay.

Was one of the applicants allowed to resubmit parts of their application as late as October 2009? Yes or no?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

Yes, there was one applicant who did submit additional information in the fall.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

If this was closed in March, how was this allowed to happen?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

This information was submitted at a time when the review was in its final stages of completion. There was an indication that a partner had changed for one of the applicants. It was not a substantive change to the application.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

On what date did the government and the Gates Foundation officially decide it was cancelling the project?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Dr. Engelhardt.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. Rainer Engelhardt

That decision to cancel the project--in other words, the overall facility--was communicated in February of 2010, this year.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Was that on February 19?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. Rainer Engelhardt

That's correct.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Thank you.

This project was an $88 million vaccine plant. As you know, it was originally announced by the Prime Minister and Bill Gates in February of 2007 and was cancelled as an administrative error on a Health Canada website. When exactly did this administrative error occur?

9:45 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. Rainer Engelhardt

It wasn't cancelled, if I may say so, as the result of an administrative error. There was literally a human error made in preparation of material on the website, which inadvertently became public.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

On what date did that occur?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. Rainer Engelhardt

I don't know right now what that date was, but it was prior to February.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Was it in December?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

That was identified around January 20 as being posted on our website. We were not aware of that until that time.

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Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

If the Gates study was dated July 2009--and this goes back to an earlier question--why was an applicant allowed to make changes in October, which would suggest that the process was ongoing?

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Head, Canadian HIV Vaccine Initiative Secretariat, Director, Office of HIV Vaccines, Public Health Agency of Canada

Steven Sternthal

The review process was completed, as Dr. Engelhardt said, only earlier this calendar year. We received the information from the single applicant, identifying that a partner on the application had changed, but the final decision was communicated publicly to the applicants on January 22 and then on our website on February 19.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Kirsty Duncan Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Okay, so the study for the Gates Foundation is dated from July 2009. Why did it take so long for the government to tell applicants that the project was dead?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Dr. Rainer Engelhardt

That study, which was provided, was relatively detailed and was one of the factors that related to the very large project. That required interpretation. It required, first of all, assessment of the technical review that was carried out. The technical review was completed only shortly prior to that and hadn't really been evaluated. Then the whole question of the risk assessment and what it meant to the risk to the federal moneys and Gates' moneys to have a--