All right.
I wanted to unpack what happens in this innovation process before it gets to the customer. I get the issue that you've identified, the second big problem of the customer and cost minimization versus value.
There's a funding issue that goes along with this, because these are risky ventures. When we've talked about government involvement in this process, we've talked about it as a kind of catalyst.
Dr. Treurnicht, I think you mentioned that the government's role is primarily catalytic. It's also funding, I take it, to a large extent.
Can you tell me to what extent this kind of commercialization process depends on government funding?