Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, for giving me that time.
Having been a family practitioner, I can tell you, it's difficult to hire somebody when, in an urban setting, 55% of your income goes to overhead. You don't have a lot of room to manoeuvre.
I'm going back to the mix. Currently, we have an unbalanced mix. For instance, there are too few family care physicians, and a lot of people are going directly to obstetricians, to pediatricians, to specialists for what is really primary care. That is an expensive way to deal with the system.
You mentioned, Dr. Lemire, the need for family physicians or primary care people to be paid better so they can do it. Looking at capitation models, salaried models, etc., is one way to look at it. But how do you look at a 10-year plan, say, with everybody working together saying here are the number of pediatricians they're going to be needing in 10 years, so you don't allow people to graduate, and everyone wants to go into a specialty. They can't. We don't need them. There are too many of them. Let's go to this, and let's set that.
The only people, I think, who can set that mix are the colleges of nurses, physicians, pharmacists, etc., working together to look at the appropriate mix. How do you see that happening? Can that happen without the federal government at the table?