I'm getting some confirmation from my colleague that that was the case.
So here you have a situation in which some expenses are deemed not to be campaign expenses, amounting to some amount of money—$10,000 or $20,000 in a riding. I don't know what the exact amounts are; they vary. But an entire rebate of what could be, depending on the riding and the number of expenses made, up to $80,000 is disallowed. Now, you only get 60% of that back. So let's say it was $10,000 in ad buying expenses being disallowed. That's $6,000 that wouldn't come back. If it's out of a total of $50,000 that's claimed, one could expect $30,000 back. The difference between getting this money and not getting this money in an environment where everybody else is getting their money back can make the difference between being able to contest the election next time and not being able to contest it, having the funds to do it.
So as a further problem, we have Elections Canada creating a situation in which it is potentially deciding the outcome of future elections in those ridings. That is the gravest possible breach Elections Canada can make.
Mr. Mayrand always sends an observer along to these meetings. I hope this observer is taking notes.
In doing this, Elections Canada is acting in a manner that could potentially decide the outcome of future elections. That is a breach of its mandate and is something that needs to be corrected.
So that's a big problem. It's a really big problem if it's happening to one party only. So we're talking about a problem in which he's not just—