Evidence of meeting #44 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was believe.

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Russell Ullyatt  As an Individual

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I'm sorry, I don't know the e-mail you're referring to.

Is it in the package that was provided or...?

I can say unequivocally that there was absolutely no intent to mislead the committee. If that is indeed in the e-mail, it was not premeditated for me to send it. When I did send it, it was a moment of absolute critical lapse of my judgment. It was not prompted by anybody and it was a sincere error on my part.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

But you did tell us that it was spontaneous, and you just said in your opening remarks that in fact you got the report the morning of the 18th, the same time the members of the finance committee got it. So you knew the report was coming out. Clearly you had knowledge of that. You told someone that you would send them the report. Doesn't that somehow indicate it being premeditated in that you were going to make the report available to them?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I realize how it could be construed, and to the best of my recollection, as I still don't even have a copy of the e-mail to jog my memory, it was never my intent to (a) mislead the committee or (b) treat the document with the lack of respect that I did.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

I guess we can....

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Can we share the e-mail with Mr. Ullyatt?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

Sure. Share it with him.

Does that jog your memory at all?

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I'm sorry, no. It was three months ago, and I realize that.... I didn't have access to this e-mail the last time I was at the committee because I did not have access to my parliamentary e-mail account. And whilst I agree with you that it would seem like there was some type of premeditation, there was not any intent to treat the document with that lack of respect.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

You can see the discrepancy here.

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I note the discrepancy, yes.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

In terms of telling the committee that--

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I do. I see that, yes.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

You got the report on the 18th. Yet on the 17th you had already said to someone, I will send you a copy of the report. It's a confidential report, and you knew on the 17th that it was a confidential report when you said this to Clarke Cross.

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I can't speak to whether I knew the report was confidential on the 17th. I don't remember. I honestly do not remember, Ms. Foote. I'm sorry.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

Okay. During his testimony, Mr. Cross said that upon receiving the report he was surprised. Yet you gave him advance notice on the 17th that you would in fact be sending the report. Do you have an explanation as to why Mr. Cross would also lie to this committee?

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I'm sorry. I can't speak for Mr. Cross.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

So we have both you and Mr. Cross now, both of you, suggesting that this was not intentional, and Mr. Cross saying he was surprised. You had given him prior notice.

Who else did you give advance notice to that you would be sending them this confidential report?

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

As I said, you have access to e-mails that I don't. I don't remember even sending this e-mail, let alone any others. I do not believe I sent any other e-mails advising that I would be committing such a gross miscarriage of confidentiality.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

How much time do I have, Mr. Chair?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

A minute.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

I want to go to your resumé. It says that R.U. Thinking Strategic Consulting provides regular strategic advice to a diverse range of clients on issues ranging from international affairs and trade issues.....

Who do you provide these services to?

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

So you've never provided those services, even though on your resumé it says that that's in fact what R.U. Thinking Strategic Consulting does?

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

I have provided them in the past; however, I currently do not.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Judy Foote Liberal Random—Burin—St. George's, NL

Who did you provide them to? Who were your clients?

11:10 a.m.

As an Individual

Russell Ullyatt

The company has been in operation for a while. I don't have a list of people who I've done work with here. I didn't come prepared to answer questions in regard to that today. I'm sorry. I can undertake to provide a list of clients to the committee after my appearance today.