Evidence of meeting #6 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was witness.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rob Walsh  Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, House of Commons
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Angela Crandall

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Reid.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

No doubt the purpose of the witnesses is to establish the points that are in contention and which, by Professor Cotler's testimony, have had the effect of impairing his privileges. What he says in his testimony before us, when he attended—it would be around 11:30 to 11:35, just so that people can find it--was the “grievous and false accusations”—in the plural—in these targeted mailings.

So he's presumably not referring simply to the statement “willingly participated in overtly anti-Semitic Durban I”; I assume he's also referring to—

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Reid, I did cut others off who tried to give testimony.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

No, no, I know, but my point is simply that there's a second statement that he clearly regards as being problematic, and therefore witnesses who relate to that testimony, the de-funding of Hamas and Hezbollah.... I think this may be where some of the witnesses come from, because they expressed opinions—

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

So you assume that some of the witnesses will be able to do that. I can't pre-assume that--

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Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

That's right: these are not purely people dealing with the Durban conference. I'm simply basing it on that assumption, yes.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Godin.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Yes, Mr. Chair.

I really had the impression earlier that I had missed a meeting. You said that we had received the list, that we had accepted it and returned it to you, as though we had discussed witnesses. I just realized that I did not miss a meeting—

and we have never discussed the witnesses.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I have to correct you there. A witness list was in front of all of us at the last meeting—

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Yes, we did have one, but as I said, we did not “discuss”.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Okay.

12:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I went to—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'm going to suggest that it was discussed and that it was said that this is a fairly extensive list, and could the clerk and the chair go away and come back with a layout of how these would go.

12:45 p.m.

Yves Godin

No, Mr. Chair--

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'm sorry; go ahead.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

--my statement is that we did not discuss each witness.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Oh, no.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Do you agree? That's a fair statement from me?

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

It's a fair statement.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

And what I'm saying is that normally when we bring witnesses, we more or less know from the people putting forward the witnesses to the committee, in any committee I've been at.... The way it goes is that they say, this witness is so and so, and I'd like to have him here because he could contribute to the case.

I'm saying that this was not discussed. I think that's why now, today, we have questions like, who are all those people? Where are they coming from?

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Although I agree with your statements to this point, there certainly was opportunity for that discussion—

12:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Oh, yes, but—

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

We ended the meeting probably 50 minutes early last week. When I said here is the witness list and asked, do you want to sit here and do this and work it out together, or will you take the chair's and the clerk's ability to try to group witnesses together, the committee all nodded and said, yes, let's go do that.

12:45 p.m.

An hon. member

That's exactly right.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Was it not more on the availability of...?