Evidence of meeting #27 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was nations.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Howe  Professor, Department of Political Science, University of New Brunswick, As an Individual
Barry Thorsteinson  Past President, National Pensioners Federation
Peter Dinsdale  Acting Chief Executive Officer, Assembly of First Nations
Gladys Christiansen  Director of Human Resources, Lac La Ronge Indian Band
Teresa Edwards  In-House Legal Counsel, Director, International Affairs and Human Rights, Native Women's Association of Canada

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I'll never live that down. There isn't that much time left in my life.

Two things if I might.... First of all, my first reaction is basically the government is saying it's okay to play silly bugger with the leader of the official opposition, but the Prime Minister is protected, and you can't touch him. That's basically what he said.

But on a more specific technical point, I would also point out that Standing Order 108(3) allows PROC to study provisions of services and facilities to members. The CRG provides services to members, and we believe the PMO is doing the same thing, and therefore we believe that it makes every sense in terms of fairness.

If we're going to go down this road with the official opposition, fair enough, let's go down the same road with the Prime Minister. Don't just start saying we can do whatever we want, slapping around the official opposition whenever it suits us, but you can't do anything with the Prime Minister of the government. It's all protected.

That's basically the argument, Chair. I would just say to you in terms of fundamental natural justice that it is not fair in terms of at least allowing me to make the argument and have a vote that would decide, rather than just a ruling from the government that says, “We're protected, and we'll go after the others whenever we choose.”

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you, Mr. Christopherson.

I will rule on the point of order. I have been thinking about this. The clerk and I have discussed this a few times since the motion came forward, which is why I kept asking you when you would move it. I do find it to be out of the scope of this committee.

It adds to.... I can't change the order of reference from the House. It comes from the House and it comes here. Your motion does add things that this committee is not normally seized with, so I will rule your motion out of order.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

If I might, with the greatest of respect, sir, and I mean this on a personal level, I challenge the chair.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

It has been done before.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I know.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Does that mean I get tomorrow off?

Does the committee sustain Mr. Christopherson's challenge of the chair? No, it's my decision.

Does the committee sustain my decision?

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Positive votes support you; negative votes do not.

Can I have a recorded vote, please?

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I was going to suggest.... Are we doing it that way or am I just asking for hands?

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I'm just trying to be helpful, sir.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

All right. Go.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 5; nays 3) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

My decision stays. That is good.

Is there anything else for the good of this committee today?

We are adjourned.