Evidence of meeting #27 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was nations.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Howe  Professor, Department of Political Science, University of New Brunswick, As an Individual
Barry Thorsteinson  Past President, National Pensioners Federation
Peter Dinsdale  Acting Chief Executive Officer, Assembly of First Nations
Gladys Christiansen  Director of Human Resources, Lac La Ronge Indian Band
Teresa Edwards  In-House Legal Counsel, Director, International Affairs and Human Rights, Native Women's Association of Canada

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I have a point of order.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'm already on a point of order.

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I'll be on the list on the point of order.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I have Mr. Lamoureux next, but it's past one o'clock, folks. This is when we were supposed to end, which is why....

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I know by personal experience this committee can keep on meeting.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I always thought the chair had something to say about that, Mr. Christopherson. I just learned I get to pick committee rooms. I don't understand this part.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

On the same point of order, I guess....

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Lamoureux.

Look folks, are we going to go until 1:30 or what on this? I would like a little direction before I go further. I'm happy to adjourn and continue this at our next meeting. We started very late in the day.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

I think if we can just give another five minutes. I'd like to hear the response. Five more minutes...?

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Let's finish it. It shouldn't take that long.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Lamoureux has the floor next, Mr. Christopherson.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

I'm not as—

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I'm pointing it out that it's not too long a comment.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

—well prepared as Mr. Lukiwski is on this particular point of order. I just want to state what I believe is the obvious, Mr. Chair, and that is the fact that we are dealing with a motion at a time when we are attempting to deal with Bill C-23, which has some very strong timelines. By May 1, it all has to be passed through the system. It concerns me greatly. I wouldn't want to see anything that would interfere with that.

As for the motion itself, I can understand the leader of the official opposition has been ethically challenged on this particular issue, and he will get his day before the committee, I understand, before May 16. If there are motions of this nature it might be best to have them debated thoroughly if it's ruled as being in order effective May 2, after we have actually dealt with what is the most important bill, I would argue, this committee has had to deal with for many years.

I would suggest to you that we just move on, and leave it at that.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you for the guidance, Mr. Lamoureux.

Mr. Christopherson, you have a couple of seconds, please.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Thanks.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. I'm wondering procedurally....

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

He's on your point of order. You have done a point of order. He gets to also speak to it.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

My question would be if you know now when you would be planning to rule on my point of order as to the admissibility.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

As soon as the folks are all done giving me their wisdom.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

He needs to hear from all of us our opinion on your point, and then....

You still accept that we get an opinion I'm assuming, Mr. Lukiwski.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

I would never deny you the right to your opinion because it wouldn't do me any good anyway.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Ad nauseam no less sometimes....

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

It wouldn't do me any good anyway.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I've seen days of your opinions, Mr. Christopherson. Would you like to give me just a little bit shorter version?