I have just one follow-on. It's sometimes the case that values we associate with the Constitution, or say the charter, aren't themselves engaged purely as charter or constitutional issues, but that we borrow from those values. With respect to the question of my colleague, Mr. Chisholm, the impact is on family members who may, for example, have a restitution order in court. Or maybe it should be limited to those who are in situations where they're not continuing to live with the former member, because we can't separate who is benefiting them. The point would be that if the impact on innocent parties were deemed to be severe, from the point of view of fairness, would that in and of itself boost the concerns under the retroactivity discussion?
Keep in mind that we're talking about expectations and fairness. If this creates one more circumstance in which family members could be affected, does it add to the seriousness with which we should be looking at the retroactivity issue?
My second question is this, and it's one that we asked Mr. Williamson. His answer was compelling in its own terms, I have to say, but maybe didn't go all the way. He said that MPs and Senators shouldn't be treated any differently from normal people, ordinary people, outside of these realms. If somebody gets thrown in jail or fined or whatever, family members are always caught up in the consequences. This does have a particular impact on MPs and senators, and their family members are affected no differently than if somebody were thrown in jail for something else.
This made sense, except that this particular consequence is limited to parliamentarians. Ordinarily if somebody commits a crime, they don't lose their pension. So it's very tailored. The question there is, does that add any added element of unfairness? I'm not saying it touches the Constitution, but is that second element, where family members of a particular group of people are more likely to be treated differently than others, at all an issue? Or is it just such a minor subset that it shouldn't be considered a problem?