Evidence of meeting #66 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was métis.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Julian Daly  Executive Director, Boyle Street Community Services
Tanya Tellier  Member, Edmonton Coalition on Housing and Homelessness
Muriel Stanley Venne  Vice-President, Métis Nation of Alberta
Jim Gurnett  Former Executive Director, Edmonton Mennonite Centre for Newcomers

2:40 p.m.

Former Executive Director, Edmonton Mennonite Centre for Newcomers

Jim Gurnett

I may be taking a chance to dream in the sky about this, but I think it would be the leadership of a national public policy approach that moved from band-aid, disconnected, patchwork first aid to an asset base that moved upstream and said let's be preventive of poverty afflicting us. Specifically, housing and early childhood education and care are two powerful tools in moving to that upstream approach instead of the first-aid approach.

2:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Tony.

2:40 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

I want to talk for a few minutes about housing. Of all the things we've heard over the last couple of years in doing these hearings, the call for affordable, safe, accessible housing comes up every time, over and over again, no matter where you go. That's a huge issue.

Just to let you know, the national and provincial housing ministers are meeting today. They've identified three priorities for themselves in this meeting. They are not hearing from anybody. They are not meeting with NGOs or anything like that. But they said in regard to the timely flow of federal housing money, as you know from reports that were in the media over the last couple of days, that only $68.4 million out of the $1.9 billion that was promised has actually flowed. They are talking about that and trying to figure out why that is, to get at least that $1.9 billion out there and get it spent. Their second priority—and this is interesting in light of what we're doing—is a comprehensive national housing framework, which I think would be excellent if they could achieve that. It would fit into our work.

Let me go to the third point, which is to enhance federal housing and homelessness investments. In my own community of Sault Ste. Marie, the biggest challenge for the folks dealing with homelessness is that there is no core funding. They are spending all their time organizing bake sales and car washes instead of actually helping people find more permanent funding for their homeless. The third priority is to enhance the federal housing and homelessness investment and stop any cuts that might be coming, so that's good news. We always have to be aware of what's going on.

I would suggest that this focus on housing by the ministers is driven by the fact that people are starting to talk about it. People like you are coming forward and speaking at tables like this, and others across the country are speaking up and saying enough is enough; we know what the problem is and we need to address it. So at least the provincial ministers are looking at it, and I'm sure they will be sharing a strong message with the federal minister on this, and at the very least get that $1.9 billion out the door and deal with the federal housing and homelessness strategy.

I'm talking a bit more than I'd like here, but this morning my colleague Mike Savage, from Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, the home of Sidney Crosby, was very animated in his passion about the fact that the government, in the statement yesterday, laid out the big deficit that is in front of us, and as he said, it didn't really trickle down at all to the really at-risk and poor. It got stuck at a certain point, and even on that, we're not sure how it's actually rolling out and going into effect. But now, in dealing with the deficit, we're going to target those at the bottom end, because it said very specifically—and you spoke to this earlier, Julian, in regard to the not-for-profits—the not-for-profit sector is going to get hit. It was mentioned in the release that it's a sector that is going to get cuts.

How are we going to deal with that? I know from the meetings I've had with people out there that there are some really well-meaning, hard-working people in the trenches doing the work, running the soup kitchens, running the food banks, and providing the housing as best they can. They're getting tired, they're getting older—except for Tanya here—and they're looking for leadership. They are looking for some help from higher levels of government, and so far it isn't coming.

You used some pretty big words this afternoon: “racism”, “de facto apartheid”, and “social exclusion”. I'm thinking “tsunami”, if in fact this is what the federal government chooses to do, because they've said they won't cut transfers. There are a few things they said they wouldn't do.

It's actually the non-profit sector right now that's doing the work on the poverty front. So could you just give some quick response on that, if you don't mind? Maybe there isn't anything to be said; I'm not sure.

2:45 p.m.

Vice-President, Métis Nation of Alberta

Muriel Stanley Venne

I will just refer back to one of my first comments to substantiate what you're saying. The reason I recommended the book Frog Lake, recently written by an author whose name just escapes me for a moment—it's just out—is that what happened there was that the Indian people were being denied food by the Indian agent. And the warrior came up to him and said, “Give us the food; give us the beef.” He said, “I'm going to ask you four times. Give us the beef.” His people were starving. They were in desperate straits and the stores were all there; the food was there. The Indian agent refused four times, and he shot him. And I think we can come to a crisis where the situation can be so desperate that we will enter into civil disobedience and unrest.

I'm just saying we are at a crucial time in our history. We either have a way to turn to supporting the people who will build strong and good citizens, or we can cut them. We can say no, you're not getting anything.

2:45 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Did somebody else want to respond?

2:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Just make a quick comment. We'll just wrap up with a statement from Tony after Julian answers some more.

2:45 p.m.

Executive Director, Boyle Street Community Services

Julian Daly

I have just a quick response, Mr. Martin. You said earlier that homelessness got on the national agenda by people talking about it at some length, and you asked what you could do in terms of the non-profit and the contribution it makes to tackling poverty. I think it's about talking about the role. If our MPs talk about the role of the non-profit in the same breath that they often talk about the roles of government and the private sector, I think it then begins to create a national consciousness about the importance of the role of the sector in terms of finding a solution, not just to poverty and homelessness but to a range of other areas too, and also brings the due respect and recognition to the sector.

I think if you talk about it, people begin to listen and take it seriously.

2:50 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

I just wanted to say quickly that this morning we had a very excellent presentation from the Homeward Trust Edmonton group, and I was actually hopeful. If in fact we carry out what they're proposing, it sounds like a really good program.

Is there any conflict between yourself and them in terms of where they're going?

2:50 p.m.

Member, Edmonton Coalition on Housing and Homelessness

Tanya Tellier

May I comment?

No, there's absolutely no conflict. It's a wonderful service, the Housing First initiative, absolutely.

But further to cuts to the non-profit sector, it's underfunded as it is. And one huge issue I'm sure many communities are afflicted with is capacity. There isn't the capacity in the communities to be able to meet the needs of those communities, so there are wonderful services and initiatives going on across Alberta—the Housing First initiative and other programs in the non-profit sector—but all of those, I would guarantee, are at capacity and not able to meet the needs of their own communities. So people are still suffering and not able to access services.

2:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

I want to wrap up by saying, once again, thank you very much.

Everyone here is concerned about what's going on, and everyone cares about this issue. We appreciate your giving us feedback that we can then put in the report. Julian, you talked about that and talking to your MPs.

Because you men and women live it every day, I think you assume it has been talked about too much. I can assure you that it's never talked about too much, because MPs come and go. Tony has been in this business for 20 years; Dona was recently elected, and I've been here five years. We're all at various stages. I appreciate how tired you can become of going over and over it, but I can assure you it never hurts to continue to raise these issues with your elected officials, on all levels. You would be surprised at the level of knowledge of each individual.

As I said, maybe that doesn't give you any sense of comfort, but I think if we're going to make changes we need to push the issue at all levels all the time.

Thank you for being the champions. You are on the front line and you are the heroes.

Frankly, if there's any way we can help by trying to leverage what you're already doing.... I can say you just hit the nail on the head. It's about trying to take that capacity and leveraging what's already there. What you need is a bit of oil and grease to keep the thing going. Very few dollars are leveraged greatly in not-for-profits because you've had to operate that way all your lives.

We'll continue to fight the fight. We appreciate what you're doing and the difference you make in people's lives every day.

Thank you very much for being here.

2:50 p.m.

Vice-President, Métis Nation of Alberta

Muriel Stanley Venne

Mr. Chairman, I have a gift for your committee. It pertains to the pride of Canada. This is a book called Our Women in Uniform, which is the story of eight Métis women who served in the Second World War. I'm so proud of them. And I'm so delighted to give you this gift, because I think Canada has to be the spirit within us.

2:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much.

This meeting is adjourned.