Evidence of meeting #17 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was duquette.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Anne Duquette  As an Individual
James Duquette  As an Individual
Louis Beauséjour  Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

3:55 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

If this amendment is successful in going through, I can honestly say that this will be the biggest mark, in my entire career, that I will be able to leave on the lives of Canadian Forces from now on. I'm honoured to be a part of this whole process.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Thank you.

Madam Duquette.

3:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Anne Duquette

I have similar views to what Jim has just said. But to be able to have the contrast of being at home with one baby for the first year on my own, versus being with Megan.... I did have that year of experience by then, but just the contrast in how the kids were, and how we as a family bonded and grew stronger, is proof right there in itself that it should be changed.

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Before I go on to Monsieur Lessard, I would just like to inform everyone that given the limited time we have for this, there will be only one turn, so each one of you will have only one question to ask.

Mr. Lessard, you have the floor.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Thank you. Madam Chair, I want to thank you for what you said at the beginning of the meeting. I think it reflects not only the desire but also the intent of every member of the political parties here today.

I would also like to extend a very warm welcome to Mr. and Mrs. Duquette, and thank them for being kind enough to share their experience with us.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

One moment, please.

We're having problems with the translation.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Did Mr. Duquette hear that?

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Were you able to hear what Mr. Lessard had to say?

Oh, he was doing fine in Kabul, but we're not doing fine right here in Ottawa.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

If I talk like this, can you hear me? Are you hearing the translation? Fine.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Okay, let's go on then.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

I have been in the House of Commons for six years now. I want to start by saying that this is the first time that a consensus on a bill has been reached so quickly. When Mr. Poilievre came before us to explain it, about a month and a half ago, every party immediately supported it. In addition, a suggestion was made to ensure that military personnel who are entitled to parental leave but who are assigned to certain fields of activity are not overlooked. Mr. Duquette said earlier that he fervently hoped that this bill would be passed. I want to reassure him that it is looking good.

In our view, this should have been done earlier, of course. Anything can be improved through the lens of experience. You have given us that lens. I think we all agree on the meaning and scope of this bill.

Where are you right now, Mr. Duquette?

3:55 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

Can you please clarify that? Are you asking where I am in my relationship with my family, or where I am terms of my outlook, or...?

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

I want to know where you are located right now.

3:55 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

I work within the ISAF joint command located in Kabul, Afghanistan, sir.

3:55 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

When was the last time you saw your wife in person?

3:55 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

We were lucky enough that we had my mid-tour leave in February. And I just found out today that I'll be returning in 10 days--or, sorry, I'll be departing theatre in 10 days.

4 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Okay. What is the temperature there? Here, the weather feels like we are in Kandahar today.

4 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

There is a thermometer just outside the door and today it was 37 degrees in the shade. Bear in mind, Kabul is in the mountains so down in Kandahar it's typically about 10 degrees hotter.

4 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

I cannot thank you enough for what you are doing. I also want to thank Mrs. Duquette.

Ms. Beaudin, do you have anything to add?

4 p.m.

Bloc

Josée Beaudin Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

Yes, I think I will take you up on that.

I have a question for both of you. Do you think that the extended period for these benefits should apply only to military personnel who are required to participate in an overseas mission and who do not volunteer to go? Should the extension also apply to other members of the Canadian Forces who go voluntarily?

4 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

I will jump into it first.

Regardless of whether you say it's voluntary or non-voluntary, we've all joined the forces because it's essentially a calling, ma'am. It's what we do. There are times when people are very anxious to go on tour, and you could call that voluntary, but that's just because we're doing what soldiers do, ma'am. We're doing the duty we've been trained to do. That's why we joined the forces in the first place.

So in terms of voluntary and non-voluntary, there's no definite definition. I believe it should apply to all members of the military deployed in operations, whether they be international or in support of Canada within Canada. If we're doing our duty, we're doing our duty.

4 p.m.

Bloc

Josée Beaudin Bloc Saint-Lambert, QC

Thank you.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Raymonde Folco

Thank you. Merci.

Now I'll go to Mr. Martin. You have seven minutes.

4 p.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Thank you very much.

I appreciate your taking time today and coming to speak to us about this improvement in the way we deliver EI. I think it's important for us as government to continually review the scope and the take-up of employment insurance and whether it's in fact doing the job it was set out to do in the first place, particularly if someone has paid into it expecting to qualify and finds they don't for one reason or another.

In your answer to Madame Beaudin, you suggested it should apply to all personnel who go to places such as Afghanistan on behalf of our country. We discovered in looking at this bill...and we appreciate that it was brought forward by Mr. Poilievre, and that the parliamentary secretary, Mr. Komarnicki, is carrying it for the government. What we discovered, as we looked at this and decided together that it was a good idea, is that there are still some people left out. And they are primarily those who go--maybe I'm wrong in this, and perhaps somebody could correct me--to Afghanistan for example as police, such as the RCMP who are assigned to Afghanistan for various duties. We're told they won't benefit by the change we're making here. I heard you say earlier that this is probably the most important mark you will leave as a soldier in terms of benefit to other soldiers. And I thought I heard you say to Madame Beaudin that it should apply to everybody.

I will ask you specifically, should it apply to those who attend in places like Kandahar, who go on behalf of our country as, for example, the police and RCMP? If children were to come into their families, should they be given the same benefit, particularly, as you said, since they pay into it? People who find themselves in jail actually qualify, and these people now, we discover, don't either.

Should we be amending this bill, in your view, to include those people as well?

4:05 p.m.

LCol James Duquette

Sir, thank you very much for bringing that up. It's something that's been weighing on me since I've been deployed here to Afghanistan.

To back up a little bit, in previous deployments it was strictly military that I was surrounded by and that I was interacting with for the most part. The fundamental difference between my previous tours in Bosnia and the Golan Heights is that the primary way we're bringing civility to the country of Afghanistan is through building security, building governance, and working on development. Good governance, development, and true stability within the country of Afghanistan have to be done in the hands of the Afghan National Police and the Afghan National Army.

One of my staff's main goals is to support the Afghan National Police. There are a large number of international police here from many different countries throughout NATO. We had 43 different countries, and we just added a couple the other day. We have many different international police from both the federal and the municipal levels serving here in Afghanistan.

At the time I discussed this matter with Mr. Poilievre, based on my experience, I did not have insights into the policies surrounding the RCMP. I wasn't really in a position to speak honestly on what their provisions were. That's why I focused strictly on soldiers throughout the lead-up to this, but having served here in Afghanistan, I understand that their policies are very similar to ours.

Yes, I definitely think that applying it to police serving internationally would be very important.