Evidence of meeting #36 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was families.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kim Jones  As an Individual
Jennifer Haire  As an Individual
Jane Blannin-Bruleigh  Social Worker, As an Individual
Sandi Kowalko  As an Individual
Wesley Moore  As an Individual
Julia Alarie  As an Individual
Lauren Clemenger  As an Individual
Tracy Clemenger  As an Individual
Elspeth Ross  As an Individual

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Elspeth Ross

Yes. It's concerning deportation of what I would call failed adoptees, people who came to Canada to be adopted and whose adoptions broke down.

In the case of Mario, his adoptive mother brought him at the same time as his younger sister; she wanted the younger sister, but she gave him up to foster care. Nobody got him citizenship. He wasn't saved by Bill C-14, and he was deported.

We're now supporting Tina DesRosiers, who came to Canada in 1984 from Brazil to be adopted at the age of nine. She went into care. I think her adoptive mother gave up on her within a couple of weeks of her coming. She was moved into 27 homes, and no one ensured that she obtained her Canadian citizenship. Now, 26 years later, with a criminal record, she's been under threat of deportation for being a so-called “drain on the system”, living on ODSP.

We do not know how many potential cases like this there are, but Tina has passed stage one. She has a receipt of approval in principle for inland processing for a permanent residency on compassionate humanitarian grounds, which is really good.

The process of applying for Canadian citizenship is incredibly complicated. Adoptees, and those from failed adoptions, have great difficulty and they need assistance. Therefore, I give you my seventh recommendation: Ensure that CIC work with Canada Border Services Agency to see that people from failed adoptions who are not Canadian citizens are not deported from Canada, and work with HRSDC and the directors of child welfare to set up procedures to assist them to obtain Canadian citizenship.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you, and thanks so much for bringing that forward. I think it's important that we have that one on the record.

Ms. Clemenger, I know you want to add something very quickly.

10:45 a.m.

As an Individual

Tracy Clemenger

In my full brief you'll see a list of recommendations. I strongly encourage you to meet with the McGill centre for research in child welfare excellence. They have formed something called the national outcomes matrix.

Everybody trying to get at this will have a preamble that says this is our best shot at calculations. Everything in here is disjointed, and they have a good best stab at this stuff. They've got some good people on this across Canada.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you so much for that.

Mr. Martin.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

On committee business, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be possible to extend an invitation to the 519 Community Centre for Rainbow Health, Rachel Epstein, to share with us some of the recommendations they've come up with in terms of adoptions.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

I think we had agreed as the committee that we would look at different types of adoption, international, domestic, aboriginal—and I'm very happy we have Ms. Haire to bring her perspective—but unless the committee decides they want to expand this study and we want to bring other people in, I don't think we want to start--

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

This isn't expanding the study; this is looking at what's already going on to get further clarification and maybe recommendations to the committee on how we fix the system so more of these 30,000 adoptable children might find their forever families.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Well, you know what we could do--

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Tony Martin NDP Sault Ste. Marie, ON

Anyway, I'll leave it with you.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Okay, why don't we talk about it? We'll have a bit of time for committee business and then we could discuss it. If we'd like to expand, then we could even bring more in.

Mr. Watson.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

I think what he's effectively doing is submitting a witness for testimony.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

True.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Jeff Watson Conservative Essex, ON

So I think that should go into the mix for consideration as a witness being submitted by Mr. Martin.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Exactly. My only concern is that we are going to be looking at our long-form census report. We have to look at that, so that will interrupt this study. That probably will happen on December 9, so we really are limited for witnesses.

Thank you, Mr. Martin, for that suggestion, and we'll see how that will work out.

Thank you again to all the witnesses. We appreciate so much your coming and sharing your stories with us.

The meeting is now adjourned.