My point in bringing up the situation with Maple Leaf Foods in Manitoba was to talk instead about the options available to foreign workers once they are here. I was trying to point to the fact that of all the farm workers who came here, at Maple Leaf Foods all of them wanted to apply for provincial nominee status and wanted to have permanent residency, and almost all of them were given it. I wanted to point out that temporary migration is never temporary. Workers want to stay, whether it is undocumented or otherwise, quite often. It depends on the sector and it depends on where they're from. I think that's important to realize--there is variability.
I wanted to say that it was one channel by which there was an option for permanent status, but I don't think it's the best, and that is for a whole host of reasons. One has to do with the undercutting of labour costs and undercutting of Canadian workers. That is a real problem. They're being used to push wage rates down, and that's an issue. In terms of estimating labour market demand, there is a whole host of problems there, not to mention the process of getting a labour market opinion and how that seems to be. I would agree with Joyce, as well, that there are some inconsistencies with regard to how that's being determined. We need more systematic study on the long-term labour shortages in those areas, before we just simply insert temporary workers that we can use to undercut the costs and keep businesses afloat that maybe should rethink their business model.