Evidence of meeting #21 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Pierre Sabourin  Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canada Border Services Agency
Claudette Deschênes  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Les Linklater  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Peter Hill  Director General, Post-Border Programs, Canada Border Services Agency

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

That's the long-term view. Right now, regarding the people who are leaving at an airport to go to a country other than the United States, we presently don't know they've left Canada.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Les Linklater

That will be the case for a period of time as we look at the longer-term vision implementation.

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

I know CBSA operates three detention centres right now in Vancouver, Montreal, and the greater Toronto area, I believe. A detention centre was specifically built in Kingston for individuals suspected of terrorist activities and detained under security certificates. Is that right?

How many cells are in the detention centre in Kingston? How many detainees are in it right now?

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Peter Hill Director General, Post-Border Programs, Canada Border Services Agency

That detention centre is being closed, subject to a Government of Canada strategic review decision. It had capacity for five cells, but it's at a stage where it's virtually not being used at all. It will be officially closed very soon, if it hasn't already been closed.

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

There is nobody in it right now, I take it.

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Director General, Post-Border Programs, Canada Border Services Agency

Peter Hill

It hasn't been used for quite some time.

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Do you know the cost of building and operating that detention centre?

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Director General, Post-Border Programs, Canada Border Services Agency

Peter Hill

I don't have those figures. I could get those for you.

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Could we have those provided?

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Director General, Post-Border Programs, Canada Border Services Agency

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

You can send those to the clerk, Mr. Hill, please.

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NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

We know the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act indicates that, as a matter of principle, children should only be detained as a last resort. I don't think anybody in this room ever wants to see children detained. I'd like to know how many children were in detention in the last year that we kept records. I don't know if that's 2010 or 2011. Does anybody know?

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Director General, Post-Border Programs, Canada Border Services Agency

Peter Hill

Yes, I have some statistics.

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Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Pierre Sabourin

For fiscal year 2010-11, we had 227 minors who were detained, of whom 196 were accompanied and 31 were unaccompanied, and the average detention was six days.

I want to make it clear that we always consider the interests of the children. We do as much as possible to keep the families together. In the detention centre, men and women are separated and the children are kept with their mothers.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you.

Mr. Lamoureux.

February 14th, 2012 / 4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

In regard to the tracking issue, in countries where there's a visa required to come to Canada, it's fair to say that there is no tracking once they depart Canada, nothing to indicate that they've actually left Canada. That is, there is no country today for which we issue a visa on a person's departure from Canada, nothing that says they've actually departed. Can you confirm that?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

Yes, I will confirm that in Canada at the present time there's nothing confirming someone has left the country. However, I would add that sometimes when we issue a visa overseas, we will ask for the person to come back and tell us that he or she has returned, because we've made a risk management decision and we want to confirm that this risk management decision was a good one.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

But that would be something completely at random. There is no directive coming from the ministry. Correct?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

That's correct.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Citizenship is something that we all value greatly. We've revoked somewhere close to over 2,000 citizenships. Have all of those citizenships that have been revoked in the last year or so been revoked for not having the required number of days of residence in Canada in a set period of time?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

We're actively working on revocation, but not all of the ones I mentioned have been revoked. There are a few that have actually gone through the process. I would not say that all of them are based simply on not having met the number of days.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

What percentage would that be, roughly?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

I don't know that. I'd have to check.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

What would be other reasons for revoking a citizenship?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Claudette Deschênes

They could have lied on their application form to say that they had no criminal charges against them or had never been convicted of a criminal charge. That would be a reason for going back and going after their citizenship.