Evidence of meeting #64 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was division.
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4:10 p.m.
Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
It's okay, Mr. Chair. I've made my point that the statement is incorrect.
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
Roxanne James Conservative Scarborough Centre, ON
Mr. Chair, I was just going to concur that not once did I say that. I actually referenced the situation of a permanent resident not knowing they're a citizen of Canada and that they actually held full citizenship.
The point I tried to make is, if they were a permanent resident, did they ever wonder why they were refused to be allowed to vote in a federal election. That was the point I made. Not once did I indicate anything that the member from the NDP just said.
4:15 p.m.
NDP
Mylène Freeman NDP Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC
Mr. Chair, if indeed the members recognize that there will be cases in which people do not realize that they should have applied for citizenship and so assume that they are being treated like all other regular Canadians, then we need to recognize that we're in a situation wherein we're going to be deporting these people without their understanding why.
I don't know whether someone else wants to get in on this, but for me the argument that I was understanding behind saying that we can't allow this amendment was that there would never be such a situation, that if someone were going to commit a violent crime, then they should know what kind of status they have.
I don't think this is what goes through the average person's mind, especially not when they get caught up in the wrong crowd or something like that. It happens when people have few opportunities. We need to recognize that this is part of our society's problem and that we need to deal with it in more constructive ways than simply deporting people.
4:15 p.m.
NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
Mr. Chair, I think we have a fundamental disagreement here. I'm ready to vote.
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
You just got that in under the wire.
(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)
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NDP
4:15 p.m.
An hon. member
Is it clause 24?
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
It's clause 24. We haven't voted on clause 24 yet, and Ms. Sims wants a recorded vote.
(Clause 24 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)
Shall clauses 25 to 31 inclusive carry?
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
Clauses 25 to 31 inclusive are carried on division.
Mr. Lamoureux, we are now under—
4:15 p.m.
NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
I'm sorry, Chair, you moved too quickly. We just finished clause 24, and then did you do all the rest of them in one batch?
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Conservative
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NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
I was barely turning the page trying to find out where we were. That's too fast for me. I really need to go back and do them clause by clause, please.
4:15 p.m.
NDP
