Evidence of meeting #19 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Wernick  Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Nicole Jauvin  Deputy Minister and President, Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Todd Russell

Order, colleagues. I'd like to bring meeting number 19 of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development to order.

The orders of the day are the main estimates and supplementary estimates (A). They will be debated together.

I want to pass along the regrets of the chair, Mr. Stanton, who couldn't be here with us today, who had other obligations, as well as of my colleague, Ms. Neville. But there's a much better looking man in the chair, so I'm sure that will be edifying to all of your eyes throughout the next two hours.

I want to welcome the minister. And I know his time is valuable, so we want to get right down to it. As well, I welcome his officials, Mr. Wernick and Ms. Jauvin. It's good to have you all with us. We have the minister for a ten-minute presentation, and then we'll move into the regular round of questioning.

Mr. Minister, we're glad to have you with us. Go to it.

3:30 p.m.

Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon B.C.

Conservative

Chuck Strahl ConservativeMinister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. And I'm glad to see that none of your committee members yelled “Debate” when you mentioned how the chair looked. I thought it was obviously a sign of respect for the chair.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I welcome this opportunity to bring committee members up to date on activities within my portfolio.

With me today are Michael Wernick, Deputy Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, and Nicole Jauvin, President of the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency.

The main estimates before this committee reflect the resources we are asking Parliament to appropriate, to fulfill the many responsibilities of my mandate as minister. You mentioned that the other supplementaries are also included in this discussion. I'd be very pleased to answer questions on these estimates following my opening remarks.

However, I would like to first talk about the key issues on which I want to focus in the next 12 months. Many of these you will recognize as they are a continuation of our long-term agenda to make tangible improvements to the quality of life for aboriginal and northern peoples and communities. As the Speech from the Throne and budget 2010 reinforced, our government remains committed to building a stronger, healthier relationship with aboriginal people and to realizing the vast potential of Canada's north. We're focusing our efforts on achieving a real and measurable difference in the lives of aboriginal people and northerners.

And we are making steady progress.

A special acceleration of these efforts came from Canada's economic action plan. Our government earmarked $1.9 billion over two years for investment in aboriginal skills and training, in housing and infrastructure, and in support of the northern strategy. I've been pleased to table quarterly progress reports on these investments, most recently in March of this year. All these reports are available on my department's website.

As members of this committee will know, my mandate is a broad one. Today I would like to divide my remarks into two parts. Let me discuss aboriginal issues first. Our activities in the past are a good indication of where we intend to concentrate our efforts in the future.

We are pursuing a busy legislative agenda. For instance, I strongly encourage all parties to support Bill C-3. Without this important legislation, the key section of the Indian Act dealing with entitlement to registration will cease to have legal effect in British Columbia. This could have serious consequences. Approximately 3,000 people per year will be denied their basic right to register for Indian status and to access associated benefits if we don't pass that bill—as well as the many other thousands of people across the country who could access it as well.

Bill S-4, proposed legislation to resolve the longstanding issue of on-reserve matrimonial real property, is being considered in the Senate, and I will be speaking fairly soon in the Senate committee as well.

Bill C-24, introduced on May 12, proposes to facilitate the development of major commercial real estate on reserve land. I thank many committee members for speaking to me about that, and I appreciate your support for that bill.

Bill C-25, also introduced on May 12, would ensure clarity, consistency, and legal certainty with respect to land use, planning, and environmental processes in Nunavut.

Just yesterday we introduced Bill S-11, the safe drinking water for first nations act, which would enable the Government of Canada to continue making tangible progress on its commitment to improving water conditions on reserve.

I would like to thank the committee members for their work and encourage their cooperation and support in moving these important legislative initiatives forward.

We are also working hand in hand with aboriginal communities and the provinces and territories to reform and strengthen child and family services and education. Building on that, budget 2010 commits $53 million over two years to ensure further progress toward a prevention-based approach to child and family services for first nation children and parents.

It's obvious these investments are very necessary. The aboriginal population in Canada is young. It's growing. For example, the population of first nations on reserve has a higher proportion of youth under 24 than the population of Canada as a whole. Certainly, Inuit population growth is even higher.

An increasingly young population creates a growing demand for education, social development, and community infrastructure, and these vital investments play an important role in building strong communities and enabling aboriginal people to reach their full potential.

That's why budget 2010 provides $30 million over two years to support an implementation-ready tripartite K to 12 education agreement. I am pleased to report further progress to develop tripartite partnerships in education. In February, a memorandum of understanding was signed by the Assembly of Treaty Chiefs of Alberta, the Government of Alberta, and the Government of Canada, ensuring that first nations students receive comparable instruction and obtain comparable results whether the classroom is located on or off reserve.

Aboriginal leadership, including National Chief Shawn Atleo, has identified economic development as a key driver toward greater independence and self-reliance. This government agrees. Investments in economic development enable aboriginal people and northerners to achieve a better quality of life through economic participation built on strong foundations of governance, human capital, and infrastructure. After all, the best social policy is to create a strong economy.

In addition to expenditures for basic services, Indian and Northern Affairs Canada promotes economic development in aboriginal communities and business opportunities, both on and off reserve. My department also negotiates and oversees the implementation of comprehensive and specific claim settlements, including the implementation of practical forms of self-government.

Let me turn now to my northern mandate.

Our government is moving forward with the implementation of the northern strategy. We are making significant progress in creating a world-class high Arctic research station. Twenty partners across Canada's Arctic have seen their science and research facilities improved thanks to our Arctic research infrastructure fund.

Furthermore, we are actively reforming the northern regulatory regime to ensure that the resources in the region and their potential can be developed, while securing a better process to protect the environment. On May 3 I announced our government's action plan to improve the north's regulatory regimes, which builds on progress we have seen to date and takes important strides to make regulatory frameworks strong, effective, efficient, and predictable. We are working to give northerners a greater say over their own future and taking steps to pave the way to successful devolution.

Budget 2010 laid out our vision and investments under year two of Canada's economic action plan. Strategic investments valued at more than $100 million over two years will improve the business climate and address key health care challenges in the north.

Of course, one of the perpetual challenges of life in the north is access to healthy food. To help northerners meet this challenge, just last week I announced a new northern food retail subsidy program I call “Nutrition North”. This new program will make healthy food more accessible and affordable to people in isolated northern communities. Northerners helped us to design that. A lot of consultation went into this, and northerners will help oversee its implementation through an advisory board.

The main estimates for the first time include $61 million in funding for the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency, or CanNor. CanNor was created in August 2009 and is the first-ever regional development agency for the north and the only federal agency headquartered in the north. Its specific mandate is to coordinate and deliver federal economic development activities tailored to the unique needs of northern Canada and is an important achievement of our northern strategy.

Mr. Chairman, with respect to our main estimates, the $7.3 billion that is allocated to programs and services at INAC reflects a net increase of about $367 million. That's a 5.3% increase over last year. With the addition of the supplementary estimates (A) for my department, tabled in the House on May 25, INAC's budget for 2010-11 will reach approximately $7.5 billion.

Mr. Chair, these expenditures reflect our government's commitment to address the essential needs of Métis, Inuit, first nations peoples and northerners.

The main estimates will advance these goals by taking timely, targeted action in areas such as housing, education, self-governance, and land claims. Working collaboratively with aboriginal people and northerners, these investments will make a difference and help secure a prosperous future.

I'm honoured that Prime Minister Harper has entrusted me with this important mandate, and I look forward to maintaining a very constructive relationship with your members as we continue to advance what I think is a very ambitious agenda both in Parliament and here in committee.

Thank you very much.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Todd Russell

Thank you very much, Mr. Minister.

You're right on time. I understand that we have you for an hour, and then we'll have the officials with us after that.

We'll go to our first round of questioning, starting with Mr. Bagnell for seven minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Point of order, Mr. Chair.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Todd Russell

Yes, Mr. Lemay.

3:35 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Is the minister here solely to answer questions on the main estimates, or can he also answer questions on the supplementary estimates (A)? We are in fact studying both today.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Todd Russell

Mr. Lemay, it's a good question. I think we're open for questions on either the main estimates or supplementary estimates (A). So either is available to you to ask questions on.

Mr. Bagnell, for seven minutes.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

Thank you, Mr. Chair. You're doing a shining job.

I want to ask some questions on numbers first. So I don't care; if the finance person needs to come to the table, that's fine.

On the transfers to Health Canada for the healing programs, I'd just like to get the figures from 2008-09, 2009-10, and 2010-11, projected from the budgets in the past.

3:40 p.m.

Michael Wernick Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Would these have been allocations directly to Health Canada for their programs? Is that the question?

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

Yes, for the ones related to healing.

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

I'm sorry, I don't have the Health Canada estimates with me. We can provide those--

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

No. I'm looking for the estimates that you have transferred, because they come from INAC.

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

No, Parliament gave money to INAC, and it gave money to Health Canada. We could get you the information on what Health Canada received.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

Okay, so you'll get that for those specific years that I requested, and for the future years.

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

What about the transfers to Canada Post for food mail? Do you have those figures for the same years?

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

Yes. In those cases, Parliament gave us the money and we made a payment to Canada Post, so I can get you those.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

Do you have them today?

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

What years were you looking for?

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

I'm looking for 2008-09; 2009-10, which was last year; and then what you've projected for the nutrition north program for next year.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Chuck Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon, BC

We may be able to dig that up while we're having the rest of the conversation. Of course, with the new program changes, Canada Post won't be involved in it after next year, but there is certainly--

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

I just want to know what the amount of money is. I know you said, for instance, Minister, that there is $60 million for this year. Those are the types of figures I'm looking for.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Chuck Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon, BC

No, Canada Post didn't get $60 million. For Canada Post, there's a basic rate--

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

No, I meant for the program for this coming year.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Chuck Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon, BC

Oh, yes.