Evidence of meeting #72 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreement.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Frank Royal  Councillor, Whitecap Dakota First Nation
Dwayne Eagle  Councillor, Whitecap Dakota First Nation
Murray Long  Director, Self-Government, Whitecap Dakota First Nation
Maxime Faille  Legal Counsel, Whitecap Dakota First Nation

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

To preserve the dignity of the folks who are here today, talking about this very important piece of legislation, I don't want to rehash the back-and-forth of what could have been, or any tactics and shenanigans that have been going through the House in the last little while. A lot of people have been cleaning their dirty laundry in the Houses of Parliament. I don't want to give that any airtime at this committee meeting.

The reality is that this is a very important piece of legislation, like the Métis recognition legislation is, which is also before you. If you truly believe in the words you are speaking today, you will support unanimous consent to pass this through at all stages.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

It should be noted that we have agreed to support it as soon as we're done with this committee meeting.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

That's great. We will then have plenty of time to talk about Métis self-recognition legislation.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

The point is still the same, though. We're in the dying days.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

That's your time, Mr. Schmale.

We'll go to Ms. Idlout for two and a half minutes.

5:35 p.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

[Member spoke in Inuktitut, interpreted as follows:]

Thank you.

Minister Miller, you stated earlier about the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples implementation. Can you elaborate some more and help us to understand how this declaration will support the rights of indigenous people?

Can you explain that a little more clearly? Thank you.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

Absolutely.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak about that, because this does fall within a greater and equally important discussion around the country about the rights of your peoples and their inherent right to do the very basic thing—the trapping of nationhood—which is to govern themselves.

This agreement is not the end of the discussion, nor is it the end of the relationship with Canada. There are many other items to be discussed. I think Councillor Royal alluded to them when he was speaking about some of the historical grievances that will remain after this with respect to their presence in Canada and some of the redress that will need to accrue to them as part of any discussions after the passage of this treaty. This does deal with reserve land and, essentially, its conversion to something that is self-governing outside the Indian Act, but there's an untold and unfinished story that has to be dealt with. That has to be fully fleshed out in the context of the adoption by Canada of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, which mentions in article 4 not only the right to self-determination but autonomy in how they comport themselves and in the broader principles that are also fleshed out in UNDRIP.

We are about to introduce an action plan, which we have promised as part of the implementation of the act we adopted two years ago. That's coming up very shortly. I think that will be the opportunity to have a much greater discussion on the structure we need to surround these negotiations.

Despite the 13 years of forceful advocacy and negotiation around the negotiating table, these are essentially one-offs. Having a structure around Canada where people can exit the Indian Act in dignity and in a context where they don't have choices imposed on them is extremely important. This is still a structuring, racist document that continues to wield its weight in very predictable and unpredictable ways.

This is one example of compliance and UNDRIP potentially at work, but there will be a lot more work to do with respect to other communities—those under the historical treaties—that, when we work with them on self-government and even discuss modern treaties, are very reticent because they have seen their relationships breached since the signing of those historical treaties. They ask those to be honoured before we start proceeding to the next point, which is the modern treaty.

The overlay of the Indian Act is an extremely heavy weight that weighs on all these discussions. It will be the subject of more discussions and conversations—respectful ones, hopefully, outside the courtroom—on how we essentially do a very basic thing in human nature, which is govern our relationships with each other from positions of equals, which has not been the case in the past.

I see this as an example, but it is an example that has persevered despite everything that's existed in Canada to prevent the success. I think it is a testament to the leadership of this community that they've been able to do so.

5:40 p.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

[Member spoke in Inuktitut, interpreted as follows:]

I have no more questions now. I just want to tell the representatives of the Whitecap Dakota First Nation that I am so proud of you. You have achieved a lot. You strived for this agreement to get to this point. You fought for your rights. I believe that all rights of all indigenous peoples should be declared and recognized.

I thank you because you didn't just agree, agree, agree. You fought. You fought for your people and for your indigenous nation to have the recognition of your rights as a nation.

I want to thank you for the report you've given. That will be available to all people in Canada. Thank you again for your support. You inspire others to keep fighting for their rights.

Thank you.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Thank you very much, Ms. Idlout.

That brings our second round to a close.

I know our guests wanted to end with some closing remarks, so the floor is yours.

June 19th, 2023 / 5:40 p.m.

Councillor, Whitecap Dakota First Nation

Frank Royal

First of all, I'd like to thank Madam Chair and the committee for hosting us today, and I'd like to thank you for your comments on the language. We are bringing our language back in the community and working on language revitalization. I'm a lifelong learner, I guess, in language—I'm still learning.

I'd also like to thank Mr. Battiste for introducing Bill C-51 last week. Thank you from Whitecap Dakota.

5:40 p.m.

Councillor, Whitecap Dakota First Nation

Dwayne Eagle

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I want to thank everybody for listening to us today and bringing forward our story and the direction we'd like to take our community. Maybe I could give a shout-out to everybody watching back home—Chief Bear and all of the band members. Rick Gamola sent me a text and said we're doing really well. I just want to thank everybody for that.

I want to thank everybody who has supported us—Minister Miller and all of the parties here. It's a big step for us. I know we've been talking about it for 13 years, and it seems like a long time, but if the agreement wasn't good for our people, we wouldn't have accepted it. This is a good agreement with Canada. We brought it forward and they agreed to it, so here we are.

I want to thank you all.

5:40 p.m.

Director, Self-Government, Whitecap Dakota First Nation

Murray Long

I want to take the opportunity to thank some people who are in the background—literally in the background behind us—the officials within the various departments and so forth. There are lots of dedicated officials there that I've personally worked with over the last number of years—Stephen Peltz, Ross Cameron, Rebecca Blake, Angela Bishop, Geneviève Thériault, and then the current team, who helped put us over the finish line. I should add Catherine Moriarity, Anne-Laure Bouvier and Mary Jean Rolando, who's on the screen there.

There have been many emails at one, two or three in the morning to get this thing done. For anyone who doesn't believe that the people in the federal system work, there's lots to do. Despite the frustrations—I yelled at them a few times over the last few years—I do appreciate all of their efforts.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Thank you so much.

This is a very fitting way, I think, for our committee to come to a close for the summer session. I had goosebumps many times hearing your testimony today. It's come full circle for so many of the important discussions that we've been having. Canadians have been having those discussions alongside us. I think that's the other piece of this—this is just the beginning. It's really exciting to think about what's on the other side of that horizon.

We are full of gratitude. Thank you so much, Councillor Eagle, Councillor Royal, Mr. Long, Mr. Faille and your other team members—Ms. Rolando. We hope that Chief Bear is feeling better. We'd like to celebrate with him some day as well.

Thank you of course to Minister Miller and the deputy minister as well, Mr. Reiher, and the officials. It's been a pleasure to have you today.

That will bring our discussion to a close.

I just want to note, again, a big thank you to my fellow committee members. This has been an incredibly collaborative committee. We come every day, I think, dedicated to the same goal—wanting to see these key issues really move forward. This is our last meeting for this session. It's been a very productive winter and spring.

I want to wish everybody at home as well and all of our committee members a happy National Indigenous Peoples Day on Wednesday.

Thank you very much. The meeting is adjourned.