Industry Committee on March 28th, 2007

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

Mr. Chair, point of order. You can't wait around and then have nobody on the list.

You had nobody on the list. It was concluded after Mr. Shipley took himself off. There was no one on the list. The question should be called at that point. I'll challenge the chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Mr. Masse....

Okay, we have a challenge of the chair. What is the challenge of the chair?

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

With no speakers on the list—

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

Point of order.

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

—the actual motion should be voted upon.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Sorry, can you repeat that?

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

That with no speakers on the list—

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

Point of order.

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

—the motion should be voted upon.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

I'm trying to hear his motion. Sorry, Mr. Carrie. I'll let you address your point of order. I'm just trying to hear the motion.

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

With no speakers on the list, the motion should be voted upon.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Point of order, Mr. Carrie.

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

With all due respect, Mr. Chair, Mr. Shipley was a little confused about where the.... He thought he was voting. He's prepared to speak—

[Brian Masse, NDP, Windsor West, ON]

It doesn't matter.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

He's speaking on a point of order. I'll let him finish his point of order.

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

What Mr. Masse brought up is irrelevant, because Mr. Shipley was prepared to start speaking. However, there was some confusion on what we were doing on the motion—

[Bev Shipley, Conservative, Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, ON]

There was a motion—

[Colin Carrie, Conservative, Oshawa, ON]

He is prepared, and I want to continue speaking. I want to be added to the list.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

Okay, on the same point of order, we have Monsieur Crête.

[Paul Crête, Bloc, Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC]

Yes, there was a ruling that was challenged. The ruling made by the chair is being challenged. We now must vote on the challenge to the ruling by the Chair. That is the issue that must be put to a vote now. It is not necessary to have a debate on this issue. So I would ask that we put the question on the motion challenging the ruling made by the Chair.

[Dan McTeague, Liberal, Pickering—Scarborough East, ON]

There is no debate.

[Paul Crête, Bloc, Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC]

There is no debate on this.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

All right, my understanding is that there will be a vote, then, a challenge of the chair. My ruling was that the debate was not finished, that the debate should have kept going, because I initially had three members and then one member indicated they didn't want to speak, so I had two members.

Mr. Masse has challenged that ruling, so we will have a vote on that challenge. Shall the chair's ruling be sustained?

(Ruling of the chair overturned)

[Paul Crête, Bloc, Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC]

There are no other members on the list.

[The Chair, Conservative, James Rajotte]

The chair's ruling is not sustained. With no more speakers, then, we have to go to the question.

On this, I just want to advise that the clerk has advised me that my ruling was procedurally correct.

You don't want me to advise? Okay, I won't.

Okay, we are calling the question on the motion, then.