Evidence of meeting #9 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sector.

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12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I'll call the meeting to order.

Welcome, Mr. Minister, and welcome to your officials from the Department of Industry. We have a meeting for an hour. I know your last meeting went a little late, so I'm told you can have the full 60 minutes before the committee.

The orders of the day are to discuss the minister's priorities. But we sent you a letter, which I have before me, in which we asked you to talk, obviously, about your priorities in the area of industry, science, and technology, but highlighted to you some of our areas, which we would like you to respond to. Specifically, these include: the telecommunications policy regulations; the commercialization of research, about which two reports have recently been finalized; also, members wanted you to address the state of competitiveness of the Canadian economy; the manufacturing sector, which we are currently studying before the committee, including prosperity research and development; another area, the high gasoline prices on the Canadian economy; the effect of the U.S. western hemispheric travel initiative; and Canada's policy on data protection for patent pharmaceutical medicines.

We're asking you to do this within about ten minutes. And I, of course, have an interest in your reaction to last night's hockey game with the Edmonton Oilers.

12:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

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12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Mr. Minister, I know it's your first time before the industry committee and I think the first time before a parliamentary committee, so welcome to you and your officials.

If you would, please introduce your officials and then speak to us for as close to the ten minutes as possible. I know it's a lot to fit into a ten-minute period.

Welcome to the committee. We look forward to your presentation.

12:05 p.m.

Beauce Québec

Conservative

Maxime Bernier ConservativeMinister of Industry

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Before starting, I want to present my deputy minister, Richard Dicerni, and the associate deputy minister, Carole Swan.

I'm very pleased to be here today. It's a great day for me; this is my first appearance before this committee. And it's a nice challenge, so thank you for the invitation.

Industry Canada and its portfolio partners, as you know, touch upon a wide range of responsibilities, including small business financing, consumer protection, industrial sectors, competition law, basic and applied sciences, and practical research. Overseeing such a diverse group of organizations is both interesting and sometimes daunting.

The approach I am taking is consistent with the approach Conservatives are taking with government. We are careful stewards of the economy and we are focused, deliberate, and fiscally responsible. We are determined to govern programs the way the programs should be governed, consistent also with federal responsibilities.

Canadians want a government that manages their public funds wisely and with accountability. I take their trust seriously. Mr. Chair, the last Conservative government put in place the environment for the Canadian economy to grow at a nearly unprecedented rate. Despite challenges in some sectors, Canadian companies continue to grow and create more jobs. This is not to say that from time to time our economy does not face significant and sometimes fundamental challenges and uncertainties. In response, we have to establish the conditions so that those who wish to work, save, invest, and innovate have the opportunity to do so.

This involves creating fair and effective frameworks for business. This work can be accomplished with the help of our provincial and territorial partners by completing the final chapters of the agreement on internal trade. We have an internal trade agreement, but we don't have the best free trade across all provinces.

Recently I met my colleague in Alberta and congratulated him on the great strides he and his counterpart in British Columbia have made toward improving trade and labour mobility between their two provinces. That's a very good agreement, and I'm pleased; I hope the other provinces will do the same.

The federal government, the provinces and the territories must unite to advance certain issues and to strengthen the economic union. Even though economic forecasts are optimistic, it has become very clear that certain manufacturing sectors and certain regions in Canada are finding it hard to adapt to world economic trends, such as increased competition in the area of consumer goods from emerging economies, a climbing Canadian dollar and fluctuations in the prices of natural resources and energy.

In the course of his presentation before your committee last week, David Dodge, the Governor of the Bank of Canada, pointed out that these same trends are also having a positive impact on many Canadian families. Consumer goods are less expensive and families are making ends meet more easily. Canadians who work in the area of natural resources production, of building materials, of machinery and in the energy sector are receiving higher salaries.

In the manufacturing sector, production continues to climb and many manufacturing businesses, faced with stronger competition, have decided to invest in machinery and equipment, which will improve their productivity. However, certain areas within this sector are going through a transition period. None of this is easy for employees, their families, communities and businesses. Nevertheless, the way companies react to this situation will enable them to become more competitive internationally and better prepared to deal with eventual economic upheaval.

The new government will continue to work with companies and industry to ensure that they fully benefit from the opportunities which are emerging within the changing world economic context.

I appreciate the detailed study your committee has undertaken of the manufacturing sector. I also intend to put forth a program of action based on certain key pieces of legislation which define the parameters of Canada's market. We must ensure that our laws are in line with the current economic reality.

For instance, I am in the process of working with my colleague, the Minister of Canadian Heritage, on potential amendments to the Copyright Act. In the knowledge economy, we must strike a delicate balance between the protection of copyright holders and a reasonable access to those rights for learning and teaching purposes. That is the challenge we must all face together.

The last Parliament adopted An Act to establish the Wage Earner Protection Program Act, to amend the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act and the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts. This act contains important measures to protect the salaries and pensions of employees working for companies which have gone bankrupt.

We would like this legislation to take effect as soon as possible, but we must first address some technical issues. It is important that framework legislation be efficient and drafted in a spirit which reflects the various recommendations made by committees.

We must also adopt a strategy to promote the growth of research and innovation activities in Canadian institutions.

Over the past few months, I have met with businesses, universities, and research leaders to hear their views on the state of science and technology in Canada. As stated in budget 2006, I have been mandated to develop a science and technology strategy in collaboration with the Minister of Finance. That strategy will take into account the entire range of support that the federal government provides for research. It will be mindful of the jurisdiction for post-secondary education, which we share with our partners in the provinces and territories, as well as the role in support of research. Above all, it will ensure that we seek excellence in our science and technology endeavours.

Government initiatives shall focus on results and value for money. Most importantly, they need to make life simpler for Canadians. Industry Canada helps small and medium-sized businesses with information on financing, business planning, etc. This ties in with your study of the manufacturing sector. You've had witnesses here talking about cutting red tape and reducing the paperwork that people must fill out to meet government requirements. We need smarter regulations on our part. We need to ask how we can protect consumers and protect the safety and environment of Canadians in ways that draw out innovation and competitiveness, not stifle them.

We should also mention the Paperwork Burden Reduction Initiative, which is being carried out in partnership with the Canadian Federation of Independent Business and other private sector organizations. This joint initiative has established priorities and reduced the paperwork of small businesses, which allows all Canadian companies to save time and money.

The study on the cost of complying with regulations is one of the very practical tools which will be developed within the framework of this initiative. The study will help us clearly understand what it costs a company to comply with regulations and how much it costs that company on a daily basis. The study will establish a point of comparison which will enable us to measure any progress we make. The first results of the study should be available this fall.

I would also invite committee members to hear for themselves what the people responsible for developing the Paperwork Burden Reduction Initiative have to say on the project. They have a concrete and personal vision of the obstacles which small and medium sizes enterprises face when they must deal with different levels of government.

When small and medium sized enterprises are in a growth period, they often look at the possibility of expansion. Given the fact that our economies are integrated, these companies usually look towards the United States as the first international market in which to expand. Despite several decades of work, we must continue to strengthen the economic relationship between the countries of North America: Canada, the United States and Mexico. For many years now, our countries have been integrated up to manufacturing, logistical and financial levels, and it will only take a small disruption to trigger significant economic consequences in many sectors and regions.

Canada's new government wants to encourage the creation of innovative products and ideas. We look to Canadian businesses to continue their investment in people, equipment, and research. My colleague Minister Flaherty spoke recently about seeding a culture of innovation, particularly among Canadian businesses, and he is not the only one who sees that need. The telecommunications policy review panel, for example, recently presented the government with an interesting and thoughtful report. The panel's members explored important questions such as how to ensure that reforms to telecommunication policies will benefit Canadians. I am now reviewing their report and recommendations as we consider future investment in these areas.

Our recent budget demonstrates our commitment to keeping this strong economy moving forward and seeing how we want to proceed as a government. One way is through the economic boost that will come from 29 tax cuts for Canadian businesses and individuals, reductions worth $20 billion over the next two years. For example, small-business owners will have more money to invest in their businesses thanks to our decision to raise the income setting of small-business income tax rates and to cut that tax rate from 12% to 11% by 2009.

We are reducing the general corporate income tax rate from 21% to 19% by 2010. We eliminated both the federal capital tax and the corporate surtax.

Finally, budget 2006 provides an additional $100 million per year for research funding, increasing the budgets of research granting councils and additional funding for the indirect costs of federally funded research.

Mr. Chairman, I addressed many issues in just a few minutes, but I could have addressed many more. I want to first and foremost highlight the fact that our government has acted in a targeted and responsible manner. We are carefully managing the economy in order to create a climate conducive to improving the productivity and competitiveness of Canadian companies, which will benefit all Canadians.

We are focusing on results-based policies and programs which will enable us to optimize the resources which fall under federal jurisdiction. We are determined to create an investment-friendly climate in Canada in the areas of research and infrastructure, including attracting significant investment from the private sector. This is a key element of Canada's continued growth in productivity and in the competitiveness of our companies on international markets. By building a solid economy and by exercising vigorous financial discipline, we will create a situation conducive to discussing new initiatives to improve productivity and to foster Canada's competitiveness.

Thank you. I will now be pleased to entertain any questions and comments you might have.

Thank you very much.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you very much, Mr. Minister.

We'll have our question and answer session at this time. For the first round, we have six-minute sessions. Just to explain, that is the time for both the question and the response. I'm told by the first vice-chair that if anyone finishes under their time he will buy them dinner. Mr. McTeague will do that. We have not yet accomplished that.

We'll begin with Monsieur Lapierre.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jean Lapierre Liberal Outremont, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Minister, welcome to the committee.

I would like you to address something which you did not mention. You have been the minister for four or five months now. Therefore, I imagine you have had time to think about what you would like to do with the National Aerospace and Defence Strategic Framework. You know that your predecessor and colleague announced this project last November with the near unanimous support of the entire aerospace and defence sector. It took years of work on the part of your officials and all stakeholders.

What do you intend to do with it? What do you plan on doing with Technology Partnerships Canada? Many people are awaiting for answers as far as the latter program is concerned.

Lastly, as minister of Industry, you are responsible for government contracts. In the case which we are currently dealing with, namely cargo aircraft, the Boeing C-17 to be precise, have you prepared or are you in the process of studying any regional economic benefits which might accrue from this type of government contract? I imagine that this is your responsibility, since you are the Minister of Industry.

I will begin with those three questions, and if I have any time left, I will ask you some more.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

Thank you for your question, dear colleague.

The defence and aerospace industries have a very significant presence throughout Canada. Our government recognizes the importance of this industrial sector in Canada's economy; it's a fact. We know full well that this sector faces major challenges when it has to compete with international competitors. We have to make sure that our sector can compete with its aerospace and defence competitors. That is what we are trying to achieve. That is also why, in our budget, we reduced general taxes on the aerospace industry.

In the weeks following my appointment, I met with the major players of this sector. They told me about the challenges they face on a regular basis. I understood their concerns.

As I already pointed out, we will study the various budgets which might help this industry. You alluded to the Technology Partnerships Canada program. Thirty days after our government was sworn in, I took certain measures with regard to this program. As you know, our new government has established five priorities, including government accountability and transparency. These principles apply very well to Canadian industry and to my department.

We published all the details concerning the Technology Partnerships Canada program. In the past, some MPs criticized this program for its lack of transparency. We published on our website information relating to the number of contributions made by government to certain sectors, and the amounts involved, as well as the rate of reimbursement. I am very proud of having done this. Indeed, taxpayers' money goes to finance this industry sector. We want government operations to be carried out with the greatest degree of transparency.

Further, we assessed all the ins and outs of this program. I have already publicly stated that we are evaluating it. We did not hide the fact that we might choose to improve the program, but we might also decide that the industry should not benefit from any program. In that regard, what I told industry representatives whom I met with was crystal clear. I said exactly the same thing to the media a few weeks after my appointment.

We are still in the process of evaluating the program. When the time is right, after our study is completed, I will gladly appear before this committee again and tell you what our priorities will be in the area of aerospace and defence. Whatever the case may be, I can assure you that industry representatives have said they were very satisfied with the measures announced in the first budget presented by this government.

The other part of the question dealt with the potential acquisition of aircraft by the Department of Defence. Note the word “potential”. Indeed, since I am a member of cabinet, I know that no decision in that regard has yet been taken. I would like to put this issue into context. First, any acquisition of defence equipment is a decision which would be taken by my colleague, the Minister of Defence. He will make recommendations to cabinet when the time is right. Second, such a significant government procurement contract would also involve my other colleague, Mr. Fortier. Mr. Fortier's job is to make sure that any call for tenders respects the laws which you, the members of Parliament, have adopted.

That being said, this is all theoretical for now. Indeed, I would like to insist on the fact that the government has not yet decided whether or not to buy any defence equipment, be it aeronautical or other. As you know, when huge contracts are involved, we must also assess any regional and national economic benefits.

We have a policy on that, and it falls under the authority of the Minister of Industry. Members can rest assured that the regional economic benefits policy will be applied, which does guarantee high-level economic benefits for all Canadians. This policy provides a framework under which federal government procurement acts as a lever to promote regional and industrial development objectives, and Industry Canada, with the support of regional development organizations, is responsible for applying it. We intend to apply this policy as we always do for any significant government contract.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jean Lapierre Liberal Outremont, QC

Does that also apply to over-the-counter contracts?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I'm sorry, Monsieur Lapierre. We are over time.

We will now go to Mr. Crête.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Good morning, Mr. Minister.

Are you telling us that after having been appointed five months ago, you still cannot tell us whether there will be a successor program to Technology Partnerships Canada? The previous government had announced a program called Innovative Techniques.

When will we find out what is happening with that program? Many companies need the support of that program.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

As I said, as soon as the detailed study of the efficiency and costs and benefits of the program is completed, we will be pleased to tell members of Parliament how we intend to follow up on the Technology Partnerships Canada program.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

When will that be?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

I don't have a deadline in mind. We will take our time to analyze the request so that, when the time comes for us to unveil a policy, it will be based on facts and previously completed studies.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

The Canadian textile industry has not had the same opportunity as the aerospace industry. The textile industry has asked to meet with you on February 17, but no meeting has taken place yet.

What do you think lies in the future of the textile and apparel industry, and what kind of strategy do you intend to adopt, particularly as regards the external sourcing of Canadian textiles, which is what the Canadian industry wants, as well as the countries of the Caribbean, which intend to raise this matter at the next Canada-Caribbean summit?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

As far as meeting with representatives from the textile industry is concerned, my staff will meet with them this very afternoon.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

But, Mr. Minister, they have been calling for a meeting with you since February 17.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

In fact, I have spoken with businessmen from the textile sector. As you know, I am the member for the Beauce region, which has a varied industrial sector which includes several textile companies. I've therefore had the opportunity to speak with businessmen from the textile industry who have told me of their concerns, which are the same of those of their association.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Do you intend to meet with representatives from the Canadian Textile Association over the coming days or weeks?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

Yes. We will meet with them this very afternoon.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Your chief of staff will meet with them, but not you yourself.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

Indeed, my chief of staff will meet with them, and as soon as I am available, I will gladly meet with them as well. I understand what their concerns are, since high-ranking business people from my riding working in the textile business have told me of their concerns.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Can you tell us what you think specifically regarding the program to outsource Canadian textiles, which is what our textile industry, as well as Caribbean countries, among others, are calling for?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

We are aware of the challenges that the textile and clothing industries are facing. We are committed to fostering the long-term viability of these industries. The last budget was very supportive of the textile industry. Taxes were reduced, thereby giving the industrial sector, as I pointed out earlier in my opening remarks, an opportunity to reinvest their tax savings in equipment and machinery in order to increase their productivity.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

They told us that they needed decisions and action. For three years, they have been hearing more or less the same statements on both sides.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Maxime Bernier Conservative Beauce, QC

Clearly the textile industry, like any other industry, is very pleased with our last budget. They know full well that a decrease in taxes will be helpful.