Evidence of meeting #35 for International Trade in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was julian.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Susan Baldwin  Procedural Clerk
Paul Robertson  Director General, North America Trade Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Cindy Negus  Manager, Legislative Policy Directorate, Canada Revenue Agency

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

No, not when there's a substantive motion....

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, if you want to question my ruling, you go ahead and do that.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I'm asking you to consult with the head of the table.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

I've done that.

It is up to the chair to make these decisions, Mr. Julian. If you question a decision of the chair, you can do that. There's a process for that. And you haven't done that. So we're going to this motion, which has been brought forward.

Perhaps you could repeat the motion.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I challenge--

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian is challenging the chair. I have to consult on how we deal with this.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I can see two real reasons.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

That's non-debatable. We'll go to a vote on that, Mr. Julian.

Mr. Julian has challenged the chair, so we're voting on sustaining the decision, which means a positive vote upholds the ruling of the chair.

1 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Cardin Bloc Sherbrooke, QC

You made a lot of rulings today. Could you clarify what ruling you are talking about?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We'll have to start over again.

Do you want clarification on what we're voting on?

I apologize. What we're voting on is a motion to sustain the ruling of the chair. A positive vote would mean that the ruling of the chair is upheld and that Mr. Julian's challenge is defeated. Then we can move to the motion brought by Mr. Cannan.

Is that clear now?

Okay, perhaps we could start the vote again.

(Motion agreed to)

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay, we'll go to a vote on the motion then.

1 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Which motion is it now? It's very confusing.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

If you could listen carefully, Mr. Julian, we'll get the interpretation.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

The motion is to continue this meeting until Mr. Menzies' motion is voted on.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay, there's the motion. Let's go to the vote then--recorded.

Yes, Mr. Julian.

1 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's now after one o'clock, so this committee is adjourned.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

We're going to the question on the motion, Mr. Julian.

Perhaps we could go ahead. A recorded division....

1 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

If you want to go, that's fine.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay. The meeting is extended until we have a vote on the motion that was before the committee before.

Mr. Julian has the floor.

A point of order, Mr. Temelkovski.

November 2nd, 2006 / 1 p.m.

Liberal

Lui Temelkovski Liberal Oak Ridges—Markham, ON

I think it's unreasonable for us to continue past one o'clock without having some time for lunch.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Helena Guergis Conservative Simcoe—Grey, ON

Can we call in some food?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Can we have food brought in? Okay, we will have food brought in. It might take awhile, but that's a very good point, Mr. Temelkovski, a very important issue.

Mr. Julian, you are debating your proposed amendment--

1 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I'll assume, Mr. Chair, I'm excluded from the offer of food.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, how could you think anything like that?

1 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

When we recessed to Mr. Cannan's motion, which I do not believe was in order, we were discussing the amendments to Mr. Menzies' sledgehammer motion with the six clauses that basically stamp all over the type of committee consideration that we should have as committee members, to have that free and open debate, that in-depth debate, on every aspect of bills that are brought before us. We have that important responsibility--