International Trade Committee on Nov. 7th, 2006

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

You can't be, Mr. Julian. As you know, procedure does not allow for a point of order to be entertained during a recorded vote.

[Peter Julian, NDP, Burnaby—New Westminster, BC]

Mr. Chair, with due respect, when you've changed the agenda around, as we did in the morning, and now we've changed the consideration of clause 10, we cannot vote on clause 10 having not considered the new clause 10.1; we cannot do that procedurally.

(Clause 10 as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Now, Mr. Julian, we could not discuss that during the vote. The vote is now--

[Peter Julian, NDP, Burnaby—New Westminster, BC]

Mr. Chair, you cannot go over clause 10 and go back to a new clause 10.1.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Clause 10.1 is actually the next clause. We are creating, should this pass, a new clause. If you look on the top of page 9, Mr. Julian, legislative counsel--unless you're questioning legislative counsel--have referred to this as a new clause. We have now passed clause 10. It relates to clause 10, but it is a new clause, and that's where....

Now we are going to new clause 10.1.

Yes, a point of order, Monsieur LeBlanc.

[Dominic LeBlanc, Liberal, Beauséjour, NB]

Mr. Chairman, just to be helpful, since we have passed clause 10, under the agenda that Mr. Julian has referred to, consequently we would be on new clause 10.1, which is created by CPC-2, or L-2; they're identical. I would invite you, Mr. Chairman, to ask somebody to move those amendments.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Except the issue is that we had agreed earlier...we passed a motion that we would go from clause 10 to clause 11--pardon me, the amendments on page 11; let's be clear on that.

Yes.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

If I might, Mr. Chairman, part of that motion said the amendments pertaining to the Atlantic exemption be considered as a group.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Oh, that actually is correct. So we do then go to 10.1 now.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Well, thank you.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

Once again, I'm glad to help.

Once again in the absence of Mr. Casey, and in the spirit of helping a colleague in putting this forward in his place--just to be clear, we are on new clause 10.1 on page 9 of our booklet, so everyone knows exactly where we are. This would be classified as CPC-2. The amendment clarifies precisely the exclusions that were set forth in article X.1 of the agreement.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Mr. Menzies, are you going to move the motion?

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

I would like to move the motion. Would you prefer that I move it before I read it?

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Yes, part of moving it wouldn't be reading it.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

I move the motion.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Proceed.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

Shall I read it, or since time is of the essence, should we--

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Everyone has it in front of them. That's fine. You don't have to read it. Go ahead.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

Okay, so moved. Thank you.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Your debate on it, then.

[Ted Menzies, Conservative, Macleod, AB]

I would just like to suggest that this clarifies precisely the exclusions that were set forth in article X, paragraph 1 of the agreement.

Subclause 10.1(1) specifically sets forth the three categories that were excluded from export charges under the softwood lumber agreement.

Subclause 10.1(2) defines deemed exports from Atlantic Canada and is moved from subclause 14(2).

Subclause 10.1(3) defines deemed exports from the Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut, and is moved from subclause 15(2). This section would even be better if the words “Despite section 10” in the first line of this amendment were deleted.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Mr. Menzies, you can't amend your own motion; someone else would have to.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

I'd be happy to.

[The Chair, Conservative, Leon Benoit]

Okay, Brian Jean has moved that it's amended.

Just explain the amendment, Mr. Jean, or—